The Role of Women in the Church.

Prologue

(numbers on this document are referenced by numbers, the footnotes are at the bottom of the Document.)

This is a very sensitive issue on today’s social church set up, as we already know that so many have a tendency to read into or re-interpret the Bible, this is clearly a violation of the fact we break the ordinances of God by questioning the things that are written in the Bible, and going beyond these things that are clearly essential and clearly has been told through scripture what remains to be forbidden, and they are the very things we disobey our selves

You may wonder about this article, why bring up an issue that many have said is not practiced amongst the churches anymore? Well because women teaching and usurping authority does continue In many churches today. The common words used to try to justify such acts is “balance, Love, Unity, Family, barriers and finally emotionally lead by how we desire to practice our faith in an emotional sense

of being able to build up by being tolerant, even if the view maybe wrong”, I find it an ongoing uphill battle that the issue of Church role seems to be the problem for other people, I have the view that we should not sit on the fence.

The other question is, what is the Balance between hot or cold? when we know what God hates is being luke warm, maybe it is common that not many people realise by one of the actions that is used in the way your influenced to a form of (1.) love bombing into feeling that there is no “luke-warm” in your decisions and responses, to the point where you have no given time to think.

A majority of leaders once considered these very matters essential, now they are considered non-essential matters in the church, I find it however this a difficult matter as there are not many who would look into and confront such issues.

From the beginning of creation God made men and women with emotions, the fact being women are more emotional than men, for a specific reason, as God made men differently in the context of that men were created to be in a different position than women, as we have proof of what happened in the garden from the beginning because of that emotion eve fell into temptation thus disobeyed God, because of this eve was seducing Adam into sin, but God shows us why there is a place for men and there is a place for women, in Gods order and structure God has designed it that way, and the way that God has commanded that.

End of prologue

In the Bible first of all I want to look at a woman’s role in the position of the Church as a congregational member of that church, and how a woman should behave, act and humble themselves also to act in humility according to Christ and Paul’s instructions, as we read in 1 Corinthians 14:34-36

“Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. And if they want to learn something, let them ask there own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church, for Adam was formed first, then Eve.”

Here quite clearly this is a commandment for the gentile church, if a congregation of a Church desires to lead and live as an example for Jesus Christ, this is to be taken at face value, but we would have some who would over look this particular commandment, the reason “there are many commandments in the Bible” the bible also tells us not to be willingly ignorant on the instructions that God gave us.

People are willing to ignore the things that God has commanded when he makes things simple to read and understand, the fact that most of the new testament is not difficult to understand we don’t always need to interpret them as God’s word was written for the common man.

The Bible clearly explains why the role of the woman is to be submissive and for women to adorn themselves in modesty both in attitude and behavior Genesis 3:16 says, “Unto the woman He said…your desire shall be to your husband, and he shall rule over you.”

God also wanted it this way for women to be obedient in the confines of scripture this is a simple way that God is showing about the leadership role of a person is a man, but also that a right place for a man to teach is on the pulpit and not a woman.

Many people reject the things that God has commanded, but as this is was not a commandment or a rule that was set by man, thus their fore is this is Gods, Romans 9:20, “But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, Why have you made me like this?” Who are we to question God?Their you have it again who was formed first and why is their rejection of Gods word, 1 Timothy 2:11-13 again the same commandment that God gave to us says, “Let a woman learn in silence with all submission.
And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence For Adam was first formed, then Eve.”

Their fore it is clear to me and that what God has commanded, and God has ordered it to be that way, the words I do not permit is actually God saying I forbid a woman to teach or to have authority over a man in the church role, there are no variations of teaching, it is just teaching at all, as an essential commandment that should be part of church life and conduct, if we disobey the very things that God has spoken out against, we sin and will be held accountable for that very act.

God because he is so holy he cannot bless the things that are committed against his word and his order, this is what separates us from God because we desire to do the right things in our own lives, yet we don’t desire the things that God has said.

My concern is that when the leaders of a church allows a woman to stand on the pulpit before men and women in the church, more importantly when a woman starts preaching, teaching, leading prayer or lead singing she is in a direct disobedience to what God has said and this is not worshiping God in Spirit and in Truth, she perverts that very commandment and as a result of this their for she is in rebellion to God, thus becomes vain worship because they transgress the things that God has set and commanded for our own good and as such people desire to see what is right in their own eyes rather than what God has said.

It is quite often interesting when people quote Galatians 3:28  “There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”

How this is taken out of context and they don’t really explain what it actually means, when this is an issue of salvation and not lordship or church role, this is saying we are part of the body of Christ as in salvation we are his equals, not in the order or role-ship in fact Galatians 3:28 is rearing to the body of Christ the bride meaning his people the Jews and the church, this Is why it is often taken out of context, God is showing that though we are created differently male and female to serve Gods order, the order that was established by God him self.

The established order is that the church is in subject to Christ, but women are subject unto the authority of men, if the woman is not their fore married she is under subjection to the leadership of men according to the boundaries that God has set in the confines of scripture, and the leadership that is under the authority of the gospel and the commandments of God.

Getting onto the subject of the woman and the serpent, Satan knew that what God has created and knew that women are more emotional than men, and knew that because of the emotion of the woman was stronger than a mans emotions it was easy for him to lead Eve astray, as we read in the book of Genesis that Eve was lead astray by Satan first because the very thing he saw in Adam’s weaknesses was Eve, because Eve could easily entice Adam, that coursed Adam to commit sin, resulting in the fall of creation.

As we read in Genesis 3:6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, and he ate it.

We can also see the prophetess in the Bible were both Godly and un-Godly as we can see a perfect example of a Godly woman also a prophetess called Ester, she was always in obedience to God, Ester never went against the role-ship of Gods established order, Ester was always under her husband’s authority that even then her husband ruled over her she was very careful and was a very humble maidservant to the Lord God.

One example of a bad prophetess was called in Revelation 2:20 Nevertheless I have this against you: You tolerate that Woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and eating of food sacrificed to Idols.

as regards to 1 Timothy 2:13 – 14 it is also clearly showing from the passage, that a woman cannot officiate as instructors for doctrine in the home or in the church, that role was clearly given by God for the leaders and God’s anointed apostles who were all led by men, as they were led by the holy spirit from this example thus
because if woman are emotional they also have the tendency to easily be lead astray, thus enticed by their own emotions, as this view is what was given by God, this is what is called a fixed position this cannot be changed nor should it be overlooked less we fall under the hand of judgement from God himself.

If the leaders in a position of church role does not submit to under the instruction and the authority of God and his council, we also look at why women were under the instruction as mentioned in 1 Corinthians 14:34 – 40 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are Commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. What? Came the word of God from you? Or came to you only? If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be Ignorant, let him be ignorant wherefore, brethren covet to prophesy and forbid it not to speak with tongues Let all things be done decently and in order.

God speaks quite clearly on this issue, that he made the men as teachers, this is why this commandment was passed, time after time women were talking while the men were trying to listen to what was being said at the front of the altar, the women are told that they should be learned and independently receive this education at home privately, in this passage God is also talking about order, that He is showing He makes him self be known and Paul who was inspired by God is saying that God has commanded it and we need to be under the obedience of His commandments, that because some are willing to remain in ignorant on the issue, therefore find have it your own way, but he is showing there is also consequences of our actions of being disobedient to God and his word, God is also showing that He is a God of order and He wants people to live to do what ever he instructs, His way is decent and therefore
are our approach and attitude should be proper and decent.

As we also see examples of the role of women in the book of Titus, and we look and the instructions that were given to women in the church from teaching to speaking, as we see also quite clear that there are to be no women teachers, to be teaching men, that a woman can and should teach younger women and children, teaching in a mixed group in a non-structured format of church set up does not mean in cases of evangelism and sharing, in regards to the passage mentioned before it was written plainly to easy understood instruction.

As we also see in 1 Corinthians it’s not just for the sake of asking a particular question but it’s about the way a woman should be educated and that every thing has its proper place.

When we also look at the gifts of the spirit one of its fruits is self-control Mary the mother of Jesus showed the greatest example to that she was humble and kept her thoughts to her self.

When 1 Corinthians stated let women keep silent it was to show obedience to God, that God through Paul gave this instruction to all the churches not just one, that women need to learn to be submissive to the authority of God through this commandment, this means any form of teaching from a woman cannot be permissible under authority God, and that these matters do and must apply for today and in today’s church conduct.

Any one who add or takes from this book has put them selves under judgement from God, and is in danger of their part in Gods book of life, as we have seen that warning in revelation, Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

This command men cannot change nor do we have the right to because of the change in our culture or our thinking, these rules were pass down from the apostles thus they are their to be obeyed, Paul leaves us with a question What? Came the word of God from you? Or came to you only? in first Corinthians 14:36, do people really think then
and now in this day and age they are better than Paul on these issues, was it not the apostles who wrote the word of God in the new testament, by this Paul states how immature you are and not even spiritual, but carnal minded people you are, as he described it to those who ignore this commandment, in 1 Corinthians 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

Paul also shows this example in:

1 Corinthians 1:2 unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all in that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

We now see that Paul is also making it clear, that under the law God demands obedience to Him, so then we clearly know that Paul was not referring to the law under the old covenant, nor was he referring to the law of the Pharisees which we know Paul who once practiced this refuted it, nor does it either refer to a Levitical law, Paul was setting Godly principal, as we see it from the beginning of creation, this is referenced in Genesis For Adam was first formed, then Eve. and also your desire shall be to your husband, and he shall rule over you. as a clear instruction to women, the bible also uses the Greek word laleo with means to use or speak with authority, but if we also look at this instruction as a generalised instruction, it is for every one, and though the passage does not talk about unmarried women, their fore let their unmarried women ask their fathers at home also.

Paul described also this commandment for a public gathering, made up of men and women mixed, but neither the less women are instructed that in front of people in a public gathering there are the fact that a woman cannot teach men assembled or accumulated in front of a whole audience, the fact that women can read notices and worship but they cannot disobey the scriptures as it would be a shameful act in the eyes of God.

The Apostle Paul has already instructed in 2 Timothy 2:1-3 Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also; thou therefore endure hardness, and a good soldier of Jesus Christ.

there is no were in this passage and in scripture that says that we should train women up to be teachers, it only says men, the issue is that God wants the men to rise up in the church and take their God-given place.

As getting back to that instruction that women are forbidden to teach or to give clear instruction in front of a group of men, that the things that are not forbidden is for them to teach non-adult men, that they can officiate in the reading of notices, they however cannot explain in detail on the scriptures to men, nor can they educate people on definitive terms, or that would be a breach the confines of the way a group who is in fellowship as motioned in Acts 2:42 And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

This is one clear examples of a Church meeting, if women were to use authority in teaching in the way they expound on the word having a prepared statement to give instruction then it would be quite clear that scripture would mention this.

As well as their need to be some recognised authority in scripture that condones this act of teaching, but there is no where in scripture that would back this up.

Their needs to be from the leaders of the church explaining clearly where they stand on this subject, like as this was already done and instructed by Paul the Apostle to give a clear word, to Timothy in 2 Timothy 2:1-3 as he clearly stated commit these to faithful men who will be able to teach others.

Notice not one mention of the way we should build and train women to teach, there is not a single word that would indicate any justified reason that a woman can teach.

This is the Order and way that God has put it, 1 Corinthians 1:18 – 9 For the man is not of the woman by the woman of the man neither was the man created for the woman by the woman for the man.

God has established his order that through the beginning of creation, man was always to be the head of the woman who the woman Eve was created to be Adam’s helper, as with the women for today, they are to be the helper of the man, Gods order in creation was that God was showing what that role-ship concerning men and women in the church is supposed to be, and the order God has made it for it was the woman that came from Adam’s rib, and as God created women to be secondary from the man, that God’s instruction and commandment stands today, this cannot be reversed, neither can any order that God has commanded can be changed also.

Pro-feminist are liberals who are people who would do the opposite and try to change any meaning concerning the women’s role in the church, to the point that they would undermine any authority that the apostles have written about in the Bible, thanks to the feminist movement this is a factor of today’s church role set-up, the feminist’s
were responsible for the freedom of women today in society, as was also the key for Church rebellion as women who attended churches wanted to do the very things that men could do under God.

In the garden of Eden God made woman for a reason, to be the companion and the helper to Adam, as he was made to be the head of the woman Eve, as God is trying to show that to the women in the church, to the point where in God’s spirit is trying to show the church what that order is, if God is the head of the church, we all the
more so, should come under the instruction that God has set through the churches, by obeying what God has said about women’s role, is that we need to look at creation, Gods natural order, that in the bible it says that God made out of the man, woman, as people don’t accept that the fact that Eve was created after Adam they feel that God has put women at a disadvantage, and discouraged into thinking that what the apostles said on this issue on the importance of instruction concerning men and women he has passed an unchangeable canonised portion of scripture, as he has done this 3 times on getting on to the issue of why in the eyes of God that the consumption (eating) of blood is strictly forbidden and a major act of sin, as this is another essential issue that I will be covering in a separate document.

It is easy for a pro-feminist to take charge and change any meaning to what the bible has spoken about, as the spread of this change in teaching on the role for women, this was changed from the fact that once God has taught it to be a forbidden act and commanded us not to disobey him on this issue, or their would be a matter for Him to act according to his Judgements, and turn this into a suggestion rather than some thing you have to obey thus it becomes over looked.

Far to often it is taught that the role-ship of women in the order of establishment is pass as “cultural relevance” or the reason why God spoke through Paul was because it applied for the people of Paul’s day as a non-relevant commandment has God has made new ones, we find that the end’s justify the means in the way the (2) Pro-
feminist movement who as we know through history wanted people and women to think this way, Just like they did with the pro-abortion issue that a woman’s body is her own, and she has the right to Safe abortion under the case of rape, and the right to divorce, Some feminists put across that there is still a lot of work to be done on the issues, others say they have already won on these cases, despite their history, still today they disobey God by allowing such women as clergy in defiance to God, their whole aim is to show people how wrong the parts of the bible was on the grounds of women in the church.

And as such they were able to willingly put aside the things God has structured in the Genesis account as it was written that “it is not good for man to be alone“ (Genesis 2:18), thus this is the order that God had created, we hear it all to often said that women don’t need men, that may be true in one sense, but they miss the point that is God knew that women were created for men, would indicate that it was not needful for women to need men, but for men to need women, and that women were created to be servants to the men, even in wedlock Sara in the Bible called her husband, “lord“, as we read that in 1 Peter 3:5 – 6 the Bible again is clear on the issue, that the women
adorned themselves this would be that they would make them selves presentable before their own husbands as a sign of subjection, with means they submit themselves unto the authority of their husbands as it was the case that the unmarried women were in submission to their earthly father’s in verse 6 Sara was the greatest example of humbleness as she was under the authority and submissiveness to Abraham, as she called him Lord she was showing wholly that she was obedient to God.

1 Peter 3 is another Chapter in the Bible that gives clear instruction and a commandment concerning the role of women in marriage, the wife is always told to be giving in marriage and refuse not your husbands, to be above all obedient to them, as men are under subjection to Christ, it is taught that in creation there was only at the beginning that their was one species that was Adam, afterwards he became male, thus the female came from out of Adams rib, this in it self is a bad misrepresentation of scripture on Gods order that the truth is that Adam was always created to be male but Eve was created to also look as Adam’s identical with was human but was created to be a female, the whole reason why God created woman was to be the companion to Adam, as even in the way God created animals he made them both male and female of every kind, as we also read in Genesis 1:27 – 28 and after when God made woman and only after he called them both first Male, then second Female, and he blessed them meaning that as Eve was created out of Adam he was clearly showing that in Gods order of creation, Adams purpose has been established as does Eve’s.

And that we find God had shown though the bible with Adam was created male, so it was for this purpose that he created woman, as it was the way God had planed His structure in creation.

It seems an interesting predicament that women may feel at a disadvantage, but they forget the example of Christ, though He is God in heaven, he never the less came down to be a servant to man, through this example women ought to be the same.

He not only listened to his earthly parents instructions, but he was very humble to obey them, who he was also under the authority of his heavenly Father, and he even said that his heavenly Farther was greater than he, which was according to John‘s gospel.

So this means that Christ was under submission and subjection to some one above him, so does that mean that Jesus Christ was ever to be above God the Farther, obviously not as we see in nature, so we see in the trinity God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, their for how can the Holy Spirit be above Christ when the Holy Spirit points us to Him, how can Christ be above his Father when Christ leads us to God the Farther, as Jesus said no man come to the father but by me.

To submit and act in humbleness is showing obedience in the order that God gave, as for the Body of Christ, God considers women to be Just as valued in church structure, and they can use their gifts and the things that women can do in side the boundaries that God has set, that it must be brought under church discipline and God’s established order.

Just because a wife is submissive does not mean to say she is any less important or to be treated as any object, infect God does tell use to encourage one another, and to build each other up in conjunction and obedience to God’s word.

We are also not to treat women any lower than men because women are not to teach, assert their authority or be put in position of leaders, as in Christ we are equal, as we have read Galatians 3:28  “There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”

As we have read before this is about brothers and sisters in the lord are one, Just as we read in the trinity the God head 3 being one, but this does not refer to established order.

And for this reason that is why God has set it up, is the servant greater than his master, it is like the rule applies to unmarried women, that Paul’s dispute was about the order of creation, who came first and what that order tells us, in fact women are different than men in that order, Women were created to be under men yes, men were created to be under God and to obey God.

It is essential to know our own roles as believers to show that we all need to be submissive to Gods commandments, and his instructions as God has said, Jeremiah 6:16 – 17 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, we will not walk therein, Also I set a watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, we will not hearken.

It was very clear that Paul never suggested such a thing as to the fact women should not teach or use authority, it was commanded not to, forbidden even.

For example a woman who is a pastor does not follow nor does she fall in line with scripture she disobeys God, no were in the bible does it say that women are to be Shepard’s thus as such they bring in confusion and division, and that because of this act they will only bring in destruction, and deceit in the lives of other people, but throughout the old testament you find instances of it, as we read about women who disobey God and what God has done with them.

Other instances we always find throughout the bible Shepard’s who are pastors were all men, and those who trained up to be teachers of the scriptures were all men, never women, nor did ever women went up and gave instruction.

What we find is that most of this idea of equality in gender comes from Gnostic teaching or paganism as we have seen that in the past with those who worshiped Ishtar as women officiated in Immoral practices in the temple when the apostles were around.

I also believe in why the deception stated if we look at Genesis God had said as we read in 1 Corinthians 11:3 that says that the head of the woman is the man, thus Satan knew this and that Eve would disobey God by braking that order rather than consult Adam, she made that decision to her self, she disobeyed Adam by going over his head, and as he told Eve not to eat the forbidden fruit, in Genesis 3:3 this is a clear indication of her knowing that she had to obey God because she said, but the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the Garden, God hath said, you shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, least ye die.

This is God showing also thus applies to the women of the church that if we disobey Gods order we have to accept the consequences of disobeying God, in 1 Timothy 2:14 with says getting us back to the lesson of what happened in the garden it was very clear the reason why God would not have a woman teach or use authority was because it was the woman who indirectly though knew what God has said, she disobeyed God as 1 Timothy 2:14 says “And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression, Eve sinned Just as many women by not obeying what God has forbidden.

The fact that she went over Adams head by already making the choice with out first talking to her husband, she consumed of the forbidden fruit and then went to her husband knowing that she was in disobedience, and the fact she gave authority over Adam by enticing him into eating it, by telling him what to do, in description to Genesis 3:6, also by women refusing to be taught by men and obedient to them, do not want to learn at all in humility, humbleness and in meekness when the Bible says that a woman should learn in quietness and in full submission, rather than obey that order and keep to the roles that are appropriately prescribed by the Bible, with are the things given to the men in the church, by not doing this they commit the same act of sin that Eve did at the beginning, in fact the greatest examples of a submissive women was Mary the mother of Jesus, she kept quite and her thoughts to her self.

What Eve brought onto Adam by her disobedience will be the same mistake that the women who don’t obey God will bring into the Church.

Its to be the case that these plain easy to live by, and easy to understand scriptures is a big problem for the majority of women in today’s society, there is a fine line and boundaries that women need to know and be careful of or risk God’s chastisement on the churches that participate with women who are in disobedience to Gods word.

As we have seen that it was easy for Satan to deliberately deceive Adam because she did not speak to him, instead she listened to the serpent, this can only prove one thing as I have mentioned earlier that women were created more sensitive and because of this they open themselves up to a wider spiritual prospective, and as such can be easily lead astray this is why God said what he said because he does not want women to fall under the false teachings and succumbed to doctrines of daemons etc.

It is no surprise that a number of women who set up their own ministries and organisations as we learned this from the women in the past.

Here are names and examples,

(3) Mother Ann Lee – Started the Shaker Movement, taught that the Second Coming in spirit rather than in flesh, The Belief that God is dual, both male and female, is fundamental to the development of shaker theology, which is reflected in the organizational structure, the architecture and the sacred imagery of Shaivism. Also taught that the understanding of the shaker gift drawings is greatly enhanced by knowing that the symmetry and unity have theological foundations, In his publication of The Testimony of Christ’s Second Appearing, Shaker Theologian Benjamin S, Young’s Expounds on the Idea that the dual essence of the Godhead is reflected in Jesus and Ann Lee, Father-Son, Mother-Daughter. This notion of the dual Godhead, as well as Dual messiah ship, completes the symmetrical and spiritual balance.

(4) Mary Baker Eddy – Founder of the Christian Science Cult, she founded the Massachusetts Metaphysical College in 1881 She Began teaching her theory of healing to others privately. She felt that she had discovered a positive rule or Principle to healing in a new understanding of God as divine Principle and infinite Spirit above the limitations of material sense of reality that she termed error.

(5) Hak-ja Han Moon – The wife of Rev Sun Myung Moon, She is called the “True Mother” of mankind by the Unification Church Members, possessing dual messiah-ship with her Husband, co-saviours of the world from sin. Sun Myung Moon has appointed her to succeed him upon his death, Her role in the Unification movement has increased since the early 1990s, touring various Unification organizations, including the Women’s Federation for World Peace.

Unification Church Members regard her husband Rev. Sun Myung Moon as the Second Coming of Christ, and the two of them together as the “True Parents” of Humanity. They achieved this status on January 1, 1968, and the end of their “7-year course” of marriage together, at which point they were regarded as God incarnate on earth, representing the perfection of God’s masculine and feminine aspects. Unification theology teaches that Jesus achieved his perfection and incarnation of God only on the individual level (a lesser accomplishment than that of Sun Myung Moon and Hakja Han Moon due to Jesus not being able to marry and raise up a bride).

The primary mission of True Parents is to engraft all people on earth in the spirit world to their sinless lineage, removing from the Satanic lineage established at the fall of humanity (the original sin in the Garden of Eden).

Satan has also deceived women in various forms, such as divination, spiritualist medium, The New Age, Mind Sciences and various cults, as we see from these names in theosophy such as, Madam Helena Blavatsky, Alice Bailey, Annie Besant and so on to the other top names in Masonic Orders.

Famous Spiritualist names were, the Fox sisters, who did fortune-telling, tarot cards, Crystal ball gazing, palm reading and so on.

As the Bible says that rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, (1 Samuel 15:22) why because like God had said for they rejected the word of God.

(6) And all this because of what Eve did in the Garden, but as we get back to the women in leadership also as well as those who teach or use serp authority, there is a familiar spirit to why they are in that position in the first place, Just like we have seen what position the Mary of the roman catholic church plays, is also in rebellion to God, because it disobeys the God order, that no women is above any man, in fact the woman of the catholic church is positioned above Christ and in with the God head, in fact in 1984 in Medjugorje the Vatican addressed that the Mary of the Catholic Church is to be known as the Queen of Peace, the fact that they have this Catholic Mary lifted up, her message is to do what they believe Jesus could not, in fact to even claim that she is immaculate, to pray to her and look at her as some authority figure and put her in par with Jesus Christ, what we do is change what God has written on the bible even to the point where some pray to “father, Mother, God”.

This is a direct breach of what God has commanded.

(7)As Mike Ophenhimer quite rightly puts it in his statement and I quote from his source,

http://www.letusreason.org/Pent46.htm

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Principles in Living.

1 Cor. 11:2-3 “Keep the teachings just as I delivered them to you. But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God” (means a rule authority or source, there is no mention of church offices of pastor, or even elders here).

The word for man has the definite article where the word for woman does not. There is the subjection of female to the male.

The word for woman gune primarily means a female and only secondary as a wife. It should be kept consistent throughout this portion of Scripture because the topic extends beyond marriage [as in v.12 referring to the creation account, men are born from their mothers not their wives]. V.7-12 “For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man.

For man is not from woman, but woman from man. Nor was man created for the woman, but woman for the man. For this reason the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels. Nevertheless, neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man, in the Lord. For as woman came from man, even so man also comes through woman; but all things are from God.” The fact that Paul is addressing outward attire of the woman shows the concept of submission is upheld in his instructions. These proceeding instructions
are for the Church as Paul states in v.18 “When you come together as a church” Eph.5:21 it tells us that we are to submit to one another in the fear of God, then it gives the order of authority in the home and Church.

Christ is the head of the whole church in the same way man is over the woman. This teaches a positional hierarchy the same as Eph 5:22 the subjection in marriage, the wife to her husband. Vs.23 “For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the whole church; and He is the Savior of the body.” Man as a husband has a special responsibility over the woman and his family.

If man is not supposed rule over women as a servant, than Christ is neither the head of the Church. When God took (a rib possibly) one of Adam’s bones He made a woman, whom he presented to Adam when he awoke from his operation.

Adam received her as his wife, and said, “This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.” So because she was “taken out of man” (Genesis 2:23), the man has the preeminence, as he was the source of the helper given to him, therefore we have the principle and the position that “The head of the woman is the man.” In the same manner the head of man is Christ, as the Son of God was the creator of Adam.

The woman was made a helpmate for man, in the same manner the Scripture says “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath” (Mark 2:27-28). 1 Peter 3:1-2 “Wives, likewise, be submissive to your own husbands, that even if some do not obey the word, they, without a word, may be won by the conduct of their wives, when they observe your chaste conduct accompanied by fear” and in v.5 “in this manner, in former times, the holy women who trusted in God also adorned themselves, being submissive to their own husbands.” Even if a husband is unsaved, as long as there is no abuse and they are acting in love, the wife is to be obedient and stay with them.

Here is a good example of spiritual leadership, the husband is ignorant on spiritual matters and yet the wife is not to take the role of authority that he has in the home. It would be improper for her to teach him, as her authority is not to be exercised over him, so she is to win him without a word. You have world order the church order, and home order, each having it’s proper authority restricted to it’s own order. In the home order the woman has a headship, and that is man. In the church women have a headship and that is man, man has a headship and that is Christ.

The fact that we are one in Christ (Gal.3:28 male and female) does not mean that we dispense with the order of creation. Men and women share spiritual equality but this does not negate our assigned offices or roles we are to function in. Restriction in the church does not mean that women are to be demeaned, ignored or treated as slaves.

Various roles are open to them, both within and outside of the church. Today the average church could not be in a healthy condition without women serving along with the men. They are able to minister in ways men cannot, but men can minister in ways women cannot. We should all be serving in our correct roles and offices, not the incorrect ones. God has gifted women in spiritual things just as he did men, but they are restricted in their exercise. The woman’s ministry in the Church is to be focused on women (younger women) and children (1 Tim. 2:15; Tit. 2:3-5) for this reason we find them often teaching Sunday school. This is allowed because children not grown men.

For a woman to teach men as a pastor in a church, it shows they are not in submission to God because they are exercising unlawful authority. They can teach men language, math, art, science, geology etc.

but they cannot teach them the Scripture in the Church. Contrary to the popular opinion that we have church whenever two or three are gathered, that is what the Bible calls fellowship. A Church meeting is when the elders are assembled with the congregation. So what of women missionaries planting a church or teaching men where there are no men available? Well we should not be so myopic in our view.

The foremost important thing is the gospel of salvation presented to the unsaved, both men and women can present the gospel. However once there is a church started and men are available to take the ministry there is no reason a woman should be pasturing. This should be looked as temporary situation and working toward the proper order of the church as set in Scripture. The question comes up, why does it look like God’s blessing is upon women pastors that teach to men? I can only answer this with God having grace despite our ignorance. He will bless the ministry of His Word whether it is a man or a woman, as long as the error is not too significant. God looks upon the heart as well as the actions.

However if they are following the Lord and in His Word, it would only be a matter of time before they see it is wrong. Then they have to make a decision or they would be intentionally disobeying an important aspect in ministry. Essentially we cannot judge by what it looks like to us now, it will be later when rewards will be received because of what we have all done in right motivation and in accordance to the Word of God (1 Cor. 3:6-15; 2 Tim. 2:5).

After reading and researching the arguments, pro and con and weighing them out along with my own research in the Scripture, the evidence weighs in on the side of men apostles, pastors and elders. However this does not exclude women from a teaching ministry with women and children as previously stated.

This does not hinder them from giving out the gospel or writing books or serving on the mission field. There is need for balance. Even if one does not agree with the scriptures in 1 Timothy or 1 Corinthians, the other numerous examples cited in the Scripture that show that it was men that were ordained for ruling the church. As stated:

women can serve in ministry in various ways even in a teaching capacity with women and young men, but they can’t lead the church, they can’t rule over men as Church leaders; even my wife agrees.

Memes . . . which manifest as cults and related social movements, have “discovered” the brain’s reward system as well. Successful cult memes induce intense social interaction behavior between cult members. This trips the attention detectors. Tripping the detectors causes the release of reward chemicals . . . . Anyone who has ever had the feeling of being higher than a kite after giving a public speech is well aware of the effects of attention.

“Examples of cults using focused attention include “love bombing” in Rev. Moon’s Unification Church and “training routines” and “auditing” in Scientology. […] An explanation consistent with evolutionary psychology for the propagation of the hard-to-explain memes at the top of this article is that successful memes of this class induce focused attention between those infected with the memes.”

From Sex, Drugs, and Cults. An evolutionary psychology perspective on why and how cult memes get a drug-like hold on people, and what might be done to mitigate the effects, The Human Nature Review 2002 Volume 2:
343-355 [2]

(2) Feminism – Wikipedia}

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism

Feminism is a diverse collection of social theories, political movements, and moral philosophies, largely motivated by or concerning the experiences of women. Most feminists are especially concerned with social, political, and economic inequality between men and women; some have argued that gendered and sexed identities, such as “man” and “woman,” are socially constructed. Feminists differ over the sources of inequality, how to attain equality, and the extent to which gender and sexual identities should be questioned and critiqued. Feminist political activists commonly campaign on issues such as reproductive rights (including the right to safe, legal abortion, access to contraception, and the availability of quality prenatal care), violence within a domestic partnership, maternity leave, equal pay, sexual harassment, street harassment, discrimination, and rape. Many feminists today argue that feminism is a grass-roots movement that seeks to cross boundaries based on social class, race, culture, and religion; is culturally specific and addresses issues relevant to the women of that society (for example female genital cutting in Africa or the glass ceiling in developed economies); and debate the extent to which certain issues, such as rape, incest, and mothering, are universal. Themes explored in feminism include patriarchy, stereotyping, objectification, sexual objectification, and oppression.

Effects of feminism in the West Some feminists argue that there is still much to be done on these fronts, while others disagree and claim that the battle has basically been won.

Effects on civil rights

Securing women’s suffrage has been a defining issue for the feminist movement. Feminism has effected many changes in Western society, including women’s suffrage; broad employment for women at more equitable wages; the right to initiate divorce proceedings and the introduction of “no fault” divorce; the right to obtain contraception and safe abortions; and the right to university education.

Effect on religion

Main article: God and gender Feminism has had a great effect on many aspects of religion. In liberal branches of Protestant Christianity (and also in some theologically conservative domination’s, such as Assemblies of God[9]) women are ordained as clergy[citation needed], and in Reform, Conservative and Reconstructionist Judaism, women are ordained as rabbis and cantors [citation needed].

Within these Christian and Jewish groups, women have gradually become more equal to men by obtaining positions of power; their perspectives are now sought out in developing new statements of belief[citation needed]. The leadership of women in religious matters has also been resisted within Roman Catholicism. Roman Catholicism has historically excluded women from entering priesthood and other positions in clergy, allowing women to hold positions as nuns or as laypeople. feminism also has had an important role in embracing new forms of religion. Neopagan religions especially tend to emphasize the importance of Goddess spirituality, and question what they regard as traditional religion’s hostility to women and the sacred feminine. In particular Dianic Wicca is a religion whose origins lie within radical feminism. Among traditional religions, feminism has led to self-examination, with reclaimed positive Christian and Islamic views and ideals of Mary, Islamic views of Fatima Zahra, and especially to the Catholic belief in the Coredemptrix, as counterexamples.

(3) Mother Ann Lee – http://www.shakerworkshops.com/shakerism-and-the-godhead.htm (shaker movement
official web site),

Held in the Rauner Rare Book Collection, Dartmouth College Library, Hanover, NH.

See Youngs 1810 for the role of Ann Lee as Messiah.

(4) Mary Baker Eddy, ref wikipedia Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Baker_Eddy

(5) Hak-ja Han Moon – Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hak_Ja_Han

(6) Lady of Medjugorje Queen of Peace – http://www-cs-students.stanford.edu/~marco/medjugorje/

(7) IBID: Mike Ophenhimer – http://www.letusreason.org/
Pent46.htm