Why are Joe Schimmel and Jacob Prasch not discerning within their camp?
Or are they mere oversights?
A response to left behind or led astray.
Who is leading who astray?
Most of my work has been exposing what is called the new spirituality in the churches and the new ecumenical movement under its very title missional, social and institutional ecumenism, it has been one of my biggest concerns with regards to the deceptions that are occurring within both Messianic and discernment/polemical groups and churches, it must be noted that some of the names that are mentioned in this article have been spoken out against by Jacob Prasch and Joe Schimmel but not all of them, the particular article is not aimed at the content of the video that he is promoting as we had already dealt with some of the inaccuracies of what was rather promoted in the trailer in a separate article but it is rather who Joe Schimmel has aligned himself with in doing so there are certain people who will take the focus away from the issues the article brings into question or for that matter justify any involvement Joe Schimmel has with the people mentioned below.
It did not occur to me until more recently that the most trivial matters can always be a deterrent from dealing with the real issues that are actually leading many astray, in the case people within the Pre, Mid, and Post-tribulation camps, there is ecumenical infiltration of compromise in all three, the focus has shifted away from Rome and gone into name calling and divisions that are being created, but the root of it is not that obvious, in this case, it is not a Matthew 18:15 issue because neither has sinned against me but rather it is an Ephesians 5 issue we are to not only warn the flock, but those in public ministry need to be held to account, it is, for this reason, I cannot take this article down, it is my hope that Moriel and GFM will stand against all the people listed in this article and repent of any compromise.
I had recently written a critique with a response to Joe Schimmel and after their round table discussion, this would also include Moriel Ministries, not so much on their eschatological views but rather bring into question concerning Roman Catholic and Jesuit influences. Anyone who is Pan, Pre or Mid, is somehow unwittingly and unknowing an agent of Rome who does not go along with Joe’s view of Post-tribulation, as stated by some of his supporters. I would like to move the attention away from this debate and look at why the people who they are working with have ecumenical influences in the camp of Good fight ministries and Moriel; this is not a question of guilt by association but guilt by participation and involvement.
The intent of the article is not to bring into question the character of Joe Schimmel or Jacob Prasch, as they both had spoken against Roman Catholicism, but this is to explore and ask the question as to why is there inconstancy in the way they operate?
Joe Schimmel for his involvement with Joel Richardson, Paul McGuire, etc., With Jacob his involvement with Paul McGuire, Paul McGuire has stated that Moriel Ministries friends of Paul McGuire and Jacob said likewise “Our friend Brother Paul McGuire.” Jacob has allowed his film segment to go alongside Joel Richardson etc., on a DVD, following a defense for the DVD of the roundtable discussion video, this article will look into who Joel Richardson and Paul McGuire are. (See More Below).
Before anyone accuses me of being either a Jesuit sympathizer/collaborator or an agent of Satan because I am bringing a matter into question, let me tell you this, the RCC does not love me to bits, because of my public vocal and pro-active opposition to the RCC, the question is why would the RCC tolerates me and those who have suggested I am working as Rome’s agent, when I am considered an enemy of the church of Rome.
I believe it is right to call into question when things are not as they should be but also, I would state that this would also apply to Jacob Prasch of Moriel Ministries. If this article is dismissed, it will confound the issue, and Good Fight Ministries and Moriel would have shown themselves to deliberate compromise with possible willful or un-willful ignorance on their part, this might result in Jacob or Moriel making any slanderous remarks or false accusations against me or U.K.A.L but this is nothing new as this tends to happen with those who cannot take criticism only time will tell.
This write-up is primarily for Joe Schimmel as he feels the need to have recommendations on his sites for publicity purposes of his work; I seem to recall Paul writing about this in 2 Cor 3:1 Do we begin again to commend ourselves? Or need we, as some others, epistles of commendation to you, or letters of commendation from you?
Paul teaches that the only approval or recommendation he needs is from the Spirit of the living God and that these are not written by pen and ink v3 but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
I believe this is a fair question that is not insinuating any direct accusation on Joe Schimmel or Good Fight Ministries.
I seek to explore this matter further, as Joe is in public ministry and needs to hold publicly to account, I take Paul’s attitude not only to expose, question or critique but also to encourage.
There are a lot of good things that God has done in spite of any ministry, and God will use what he will’s and he alone is rightly deserving of all the honor. Joe has expressed his belief in the gospel that consists of justification by faith alone, grace alone and the blood alone. I need to note that Good fight ministries in the past have given some critique of the Church of Rome and false teachers, as well as his expose of Hollywood’s satanic agenda in this there is no problem, I would even say that Joe’s heart to reach the lost for Christ is extremely commendable, as this should be the attitude of all believers and I would encourage Joe to drive the conviction at this time for the gospel to be preached more than ever, is it necessary to have endorsed on a website whose people are so compromised?
What are the points of concern raised?
This is where I believe Joe Schimmel and Good Fight Ministries falls foul of certain area’s that he is not exercising discernment that is needed to fully equip the saints and so I am compelled to write this blog, what I will say no one is safe from deception, the Bible even warns us 1 Cor 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
These are sobering words in this day and age; we need more than ever to discern what is in front of us. It is recent that Joe is so concerned with eschatology though these matters are important, but not essential to bring division into the camp caused by the very ecumenical people who Joe and Good fight ministries are working with. Having said that, this maybe this is an oversight, but it is regrettable that Joe does not say that our salvation comes by faith in Christ alone in some of his videos, in this video (The Noah Movie Deception) link, go to 15:48 Sec for reference, Joe just says “Salvation is faith in Christ”.
The statement “Salvation is faith in Christ” would resonate with the Roman Catholic faith system, I would, at least, think that Joe would need to correct himself and stress that Salvation is Faith in Christ Alone.
I do not make false statements, but I back everything with hard evidence, and this places Joe’s ministry into question when he is involved, defends and promotes people like Joel Richardson, Kirk Cameron, and Ray Comfort.
When asked the question, Joel did not want to explain why did the Roman Catholic Church’s position set itself solidly on a post-tribulation position.
The point of the question is not that Rome teaches this from a purely doctrinal concept, but the question was rooted from the point that anyone who is not a post trib is part of a Catholic conspiracy to bring in the great apostasy. My disagreement with Joe is that the great apostasy is already in the churches, one of the biggest things is called the new ecumenism, and this is something that is not a case of guilt by association but guilt by participation.
A good example of this is that Joe does not instruct people to be cautious about pro-life issues, yes, as a Bible believing Christian I have a moral responsibility to object to abortion, but without compromise, especially when it comes to the Roman Catholic Church.
I will give you a story of something that happened to me on a Saturday, I came across a group called abort67 which there is nothing wrong with standing against abortion, however upon my questioning of Roman Catholicism, the representative soon got quite hostile. As a Catholic woman approached the organisation, they said, God bless you to the lady, and she walked away and remained a Catholic. I see there is a problem here; this woman was not given the gospel. I gave a gospel tract to the person in the abort67 group, and she rejected it and refused to talk with me.
I am not suggesting that Joe Schimmel would have any spiritual unity directly with the Roman Church, what I am pointing out is Joe does not speak against the ecumenism that has infiltrated the pro-life camp in any article or videos I have seen to date. It would be apparent that his recent work on eschatology takes more emphasis over more important matters that are affecting and driving more evangelical believers to compromise.
Historically speaking when Melody Green supported pro-life groups in America she rejected the Keith Greens stance against the Roman Catholic Church, by stating that Keith retracted on his write-up of the Catholic Chronicles. It has been published by the Vatican under its ecumenical documents that it aims to use the pro-life issue to bring the separated brethren into unity. It is of vital importance that these matters must be addressed when considering Rome’s grand scheme of things.
This comes directly under social ecumenism, some time back I had been e-mailed by Andy Burton the Campaign Director of 40 Days for Life/Milton Keynes and the founder of SPUC MK (Milton Kynes), in this he mentioned that both of which are built worldwide on mainly Catholic principles, doctrine etc.
After he was under conviction, he said Frustratingly, all he achieved was attracting Catholics to come and pray with him for an end to abortion, he writes the following Quote “(except the 3 people who I’ve a CC into this email to you who are God’s true remnant and till now are unaware of my trouble and sin and who have joined me in praying against abortion).
I feel I’ve led my friends into the very seductive world of tolerance for Catholicism, Ecumenism, Love Evangelism via the temptation to be grateful for the support the Catholics bring us and the friends they’ve become over the last three years.
The Lord has opened my eyes to my un-Biblical tolerance of those who worship or believe in ‘the queen of heaven’, ‘Mary the co-redemptor’, ‘shape shifting demonic Marianne apparitions’, ‘veneration of dead saints and relics’, ‘indulgences’, ‘purgatory’, ‘transubstantiation’, ‘Mary mother of god’, ‘celibacy of priests’ which Paul declared a doctrine of demons, ‘rosary’ pagan origin adopted by Peter the Hermit, adoration of the wafer saying it is god, The Bible being one of their forbidden books, ‘immaculate conception’, ‘the ascendance of Mary to heaven’ and all the sex scandals inside this supposedly holy church.
The current 40 Days for Life here in MK runs till 4 November. This will be the last one I organise or partake in. I have already been convicted not to attend prayers outside the abortion clinic whilst Catholics are praying too.
Many have tried to change the Catholic Church from within and failed or have ‘tolerated’ fellowship with Catholics to try and witness to them. I won’t go down that road. I will however leave them with a witness of why I’m withdrawing from fellowship with them.
I praise God for the mercy he has delivered and shown to those who have been deceived by pro-life groups globally.”
Here are some of the quotes I have on the subject from various books
[p494] Vatican statement B. Prayer in Common 32. “In certain special circumstances, such as prayer services ‘for unity’ and during ecumenical gatherings, it is allowable, indeed desirable that Catholics should join in prayer with their separated brethren. Such prayers in common are certainly very effective means of petitioning for the grace of unity, and they are a genuine expression of the ties which still bind Catholics to their separated brethren” (Decree on Ecumenism, n. .)
- It is to be hoped that Catholics and their other brethren will join in prayer for any common concern in which they can and should cooperate—e. g., peace, social justice, mutual charity among men, the dignity of the family, and so on. The same may be said of occasions when, according to circumstances a nation or community wishes to make a common act of thanksgiving or petition to God, as on a national feast day, at a time of public disaster or morning, on a day set aside for remembrance of those who have died for their country. This kind of prayer is also recommended so far as is possible at times when Christians hold meetings for the study or common action.
(a) Representatives of the churches or communities concerned should agree and cooperate in arranging such prayer—in deciding who should take part, what themes, hymns, scripture readings, prayers and the like should be used.
[p1000] Church in the Modern World
Such a mission requires us, first of all, to create in the Church itself mutual esteem, reverence and harmony, and acknowledgement all legitimate diversity; in this way all who constitute the one people of God will be able to engage in ever more fruitful dialogue whether they are pastors or other members of the faithful. For the ties which unite the faithful together are stronger than those which separate them: At the same time our thoughts go out to those brothers and communities not yet living in full communion with us; yet we are united by the worship of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit and the bonds of love. We are also mindful that the unity of Christians is today awaited and longed for by many non-believers. For the more this unity is realised in truth and charity under the powerful impulse of the Holy Spirit, the more it will be a harbinger of unity and peace throughout the whole world. Let us, then, join our forces and modify our methods in a way suitable and effective today for achieving this lofty goal, and let us pattern ourselves daily more and more after the spirit of the Gospel and work together in the spirit of brotherhood to serve the human family with has been called to Christ Jesus the family of the sons of God.
It is clear from Rome’s document that the Catholic Church will go to such great lengths to achieve its objective; this is to bring us under Rome’s authority namely the Pope.
I did not write this to offend anyone, but to show my position on these matters, as an advocate against anything does with the Roman Catholic ecumenical/interfaith agenda behind their support for marriage/anti-abortion.
The question should be why is Joe Schimmel isn’t highlighting that there is an issue in the pro-life camp and addressing this?
It makes me wonder in particular areas is he lacking in discernment not to warn the flock? It would appear to me that there is much more to this story than most people who run ministries would like you to know
Who is it that Joe Schimmel is in partnership with?
Joel Richardson is one of the main people are featured in Joe Schimmel’s new jibe against non-post trib/pre-wrath believers, in his trailer advertisement, he makes it known that Joel Richardson, who has involvement with the work at Good Fight Ministries is in the credits shown in the image below.
Placing the emphasis away from Joe’s dogmatic eschatology views, that this new DVD is about as advertised on Joe’s website, it puts into question who is Good Fight Ministries aligning themselves with. It was not so long after the DVD was promoted that Good Fight Ministries would consider going on the Jim Bakker show, Jim Bakker is a word of faith teacher and is part of the Elijah List along with Patricia King, Jim Bakker still holds to the many false doctrines, it does not really make any sense as to why Good Fight Ministries speak out against the word of faith teachers and then seeks to consider sharing the same platform as those whom Good Fight Ministries objects too.
It is not surprising, to say the least because when you look at the Joel Richardson’s website, it is very clear that he has had past dealings with Jim Bakker among other known heretical teachers. When I visited Joel’s website, I found very startling results as to why would Joe Schimmel would align and partner with known compromisers, who has connections to teachers such as, Glenn Beck (A Mormon from the LDS Church), the Elijah list’s James Goll (who is ecumenical) and other documents such as Paul Wilbur who has had involvement with the Roman Catholic Church, IHOP (Mike Bickle) and Promise Keepers.
When I visited the Joel Richardson’s website, I saw a display of Iconography on his main page, this for me was a very good indication that Joel Richardson’s ministry should be brought into question, why is it important to use Icon Imagery and why is Joel Richardson compromising?
Why use Iconography and What do the use of Icons represent?
Icons are more than just about art and culture they are very significant, not because they are pre-Christian but also they are of religious significance because they are very much part of the Eastern and Western Orthodox and the Roman Catholic Church. In the past Icons were used and still are an important part of Christian Mysticism and Gnosticism today because these groups believe they have the spiritual significance that went beyond the imagination to a deep connection with God, then this becomes the main focus of worship. In the book called Icons And The Mystical Origins of Christianity, it states that Icons are in fact pre-Christian, and there is a strong link between Icons and Paganism, and there is another reference source material that clearly demonstrate the use of Icons.
There is a strong link between monastic practices and the use of Icons this includes, Lectio Devina were images were used in meditation and contemplative experience.
Lectio Divina Unleashed: Part Three (Icons) “There are many wonderful books available on praying with icons. The tradition of gazing upon icons as a window to God is an ancient one. Lectio divina is one way of entering into a contemplative experience with images. To use this way of praying, select an icon or other sacred image with which to pray. If we have a sacramental vision, then any image offers us an opening onto the holy, however, certain images, such as icons, offer a privileged place in our tradition of revelation. I invite you to begin by praying with Heather’s wonderful image called “Tender Mercies.” I have always had great fondness for this icon in particular because of the great intimacy and tenderness between Mary and Jesus. “
The argument for the use of Icons are explained in a book Lectio Divina–the Sacred Art: Transforming Words and Images Into Heart.
“Icons are another form of art often associated with sacred purpose. The term Icon comes from the Greek eikona, which simply means “image,” but the icons are more than mere images. The theological foundation for the use of icons rests in Scripture: the Christian scriptures describe Christ as the Eikon- the image and the exact representation of God (Hebrews 1:3). The Orthodox say that an icon is written rather than painted, and speak of icon writers rather than icon painters. Icons, as they are used in Orthodox Liturgy and prayer life, are no more objects of worship than the pages, ink, and typeface of a prayer book. The Orthodox believer prays through, not to, an icon, referencing not an addition to depicting Christ and the Trinity.”
To respond to this quote from this book just because Jesus is the image and representation of God, it is forbidden in the book of Exodus to create images of what is in heaven, this does not give consent to man to create another image that you pray to God through it to experience being in oneness with the Almighty when we can already know about Jesus directly through the scriptures.
Scripturally I do not believe it sets a good example to using such icons on a website that is supposed to represent biblical Christianity, Wikipedia sources that icons are rooted in paganism “The earliest written records of Christian images treated like icons in a pagan or Gnostic context are offered by the 4th-century Christian Aelius Lampridius in the Life of Alexander Severus (xxix) that was part of the Augustan History. According to Lampridius, the emperor Alexander Severus (222–235), who was not a Christian, had kept a domestic chapel for the veneration of images of deified emperors, of portraits of his ancestors, and of Christ, Apollonius, Orpheus and Abraham. Irenaeus, (c. 130–202) in his Against Heresies (1:25;6) says scornfully of the Gnostic Carpocratians,
“They also possess images, some of them painted, and others formed from different kinds of material; while they maintain that a likeness of Christ was made by Pilate at that time when Jesus lived among them. They crown these images and set them up along with the images of the philosophers of the world that is to say, with the images of Pythagoras, and Plato, and Aristotle, and the rest.
They also have other modes of honouring these images, after the same manner of the Gentiles who were pagans”. St. Irenaeus, on the other hand, does not speak critically of icons or portraits in a general sense, only of certain Gnostic sectarian’s use of icons.”
The question is, should Joel Richardson’s tolerance and use of an Icon’s be overlooked by Good Fight Ministries and Joe Schimmel, who is going along with Richardson, after reading the example from Herescope, you ask the question who is leading who astray?
Joel Richardson with Joseph Farah (CNP).
There are much controversy and compromise that surrounds Joseph Farah, for example, a Herescope article talks about Joseph Farah being a believer in Quantum Mysticism promoting Tom Horns books, to quote Herescope concerning Joseph Farah:
As the Quantum Mysticism movement grows and the Quantum Eschatology doctrine builds, will the quantum collaborators continue to market their mystical wares in a worldly, competitive way?  Frankly, there is much money to be made in this emerging hybrid theology.
Here is a sampling of current evangelical Christian books (and chapter titles), all (but two) published by Tom Horn, dealing with this subject matter in one form or another. (Some were also presenters at the Horn’s Future Congress conference in Branson, MO last summer.) :
- The Departure  – Chuck Missler, Ch. 1, “Worldwide Violence: As it was in Noah’s Day, pp. 25-42; Tom Horn (also a Future Congress presenter), Ch. 8, “End-of-Days Demons in High Places,” pp. 153-170; edited by/Introduction by Raptureready.com’s Terry James; [published by Horn].
- Nephilim Stargates: The Year 2012 and the Return of the Watchers – Tom Horn (themes woven throughout the book); Chapter 6 excerpted from David Flynn’s article, “An Occult Translation of the Roswell Event: Countdown to 2012,” pp. 73-91 [published by Horn].
- Pandemonium’s Engine: How the End of the Church Age, the Rise of Transhumanism, and the Coming of the Ubermensch (Overnam) Herald Satan’s Imminent and Final Assault on the Creation of God – Tom Horn, Ch. 1, “Pandemonium and ‘Her’ Children,” pp. 1-71; J. Michael Bennett, Ph.D, Ch. 2, “Nimrod: The First (and Future) Transhuman ‘Super Soldier,’” pp. 73-131; Prophecy in the News’ Gary Stearman, Ch. 3, “The Folly of Synthetic Life: Genetic Tampering, Ancient and Modern,” pp. 133-153; Douglas Woodward, Ch. 4, “The Ubermensch and the Antichrist,” pp. 155-185; Cris D. Putnam, Ch. 5, “Christian Transhumanism: Pandemonium’s Latest Ploy,” pp. 187-214; Douglas Hamp, Ch. 7, “Man Becoming His Own God?”, pp. 235-250; Southwest Radio Church’s Noah Hutchings, Ch. 8, “Transhumanism from Noah to Noah,” pp. 251-262; John P. McTernan, Ph.D, Ch. 9, “Genetic Armageddon,” pp. 263-296; Chuck Missler, Ch. 11, “Pandora’s Box for the 21st Century? The Sorcerer’s Apprentice,” pp. 327-344, and PID Radio’s Sharon Gilbert, Ch. 12, “Dragon’s Breath,” pp. 345-372; Chapter 10 features Canadian researchers (Forcing Change), Carl Teichrib, “To Storm Heaven, To Be Like God, To Rule the World,” pp. 297-321. ; [Foreword by Prophecy Matters/WorldNetDaily’s Jim Fletcher; published by Horn].Time Travelers of the Bible—Gary Stearman, Ch. 2, “Reverberations in Time and Space,” pp. 41-60 [Foreword by/published by Horn].
- Apollyon Rising 2012—Tom Horn (themes woven throughout the book); Christian filmmaker, Christian J. Pinto wrote the 25-page, Preface that formed the basis of his award-winning film, “The Hidden Faith of the Founding Fathers”; [Foreword by Radio Liberty’s Dr. Stanley Monteith; published by Horn].
- Forbidden Gates: How Genetics, Robotics, Artificial Intelligence, Synthetic Biology, Nanotechnology, and Human Enhancement Heard the Dawn of Techno-Dimensional Spiritual Warfare  —Tom and Nita Horn (themes woven throughout the book), but especially Ch. 9, “The Spirit Behind Transhumanism,” pp. 177-197, and Ch. 10, “The Transhuman New Face of Spiritual Warfare,” pp. 201-233 [Foreword by Terry James; published by Horn].God’s Ghostbusters—Tom Horn, Ch. 1, “The Spirit of Nosferatu and the Children of the Damned,” pp. 17-30; PID Radio’s Derek Gilbert, Ch. 3, “The Blood is the Life,” pp. 69-82 (on pg. 75, Gilbert actually says that “vampire legends may have originated with the Nephilim”); Fred DeRuvo, Ch. 5, “A Walk in the Dark,” pp. 105-124 (on pg. 109, DeRuvo suggests that the Nephilim are “reptilian shape-shifters”); Tom Horn, Ch. 6, “Do Alien-Human Hybrids Walk Among Us?”, pp. 125-150; and Douglas Woodward, Ch. 12, “Shamans, PSI Spies, and Military Mediums (Part 2): How America’s Intelligence Services Activated ‘Little Green Men’ on Mars and the Orion Mystery of the Great Pyramids,” pp. 263-283 [Introduction by Chuck Missler; published by Horn].
- Alien Encounters—Chuck Missler & Mark Eastman; (subject, mixed with New Age physics, woven throughout the book); [published by Missler (Koinonia House)].
- Cosmic Codes—Chuck Missler; (on pg. 283, suggests that the Nephilim of Genesis 6 were “six-fingered,” then directs readers to Alien Encounters); [published by Missler (Koinonia House)].
There are also conferences that give Horn and his associates additional visibility. In September of 2011, for example, Tom Horn was a presenter at the Steeling the Mind Bible Conference in Denver, CO, alongside such popular evangelical speakers as, Mike Gendron, Ed Hindson, John Loeffler, Dr. Stanley Monteith, and Tom Cloud. Horn’s topic: “Artificial Intelligence and the Return of the Nephilim.” Also in the fall of 2011, Horn was a presenter at the Southwest Radio Church Conference in Bristol, VA hosted by Noah Hutchings. His presentation was called, “’The Lost Symbol’—Mayan and Biblical Prophecy 1776-2012,” based on his book, Apollyon Rising 2012. 
One of the chief evangelical purveyors of both Horn’s and Missler’s Quantum Mysticism is Joseph Farah’s WND (formerly WorldNetDaily).  Here is a sampling of recent articles posted on WND promoting Tom Horn and his strange and heretical teachings:
- WHAT DOES 2012 REALLY HOLD FOR THE WORLD? Now’s your chance to catch up on the warnings, Dec. 27, 2011. “…one American author [Horn] wants everyone to know that other calendars predict the same outcome [doomsday 2012], and he claims a demonic plot bringing about the end date could be hiding in plain sight inside the U.S Capitol and your wallet right now….” [bold added]
- WAS AMERICA FOUNDED WITH SEEDS OF THE OCCULT? Exclusive: Jim Fletcher reviews chilling book, ‘Apollyon Rising 2012,’ Dec. 8, 2009. “In the end (get it?), Apollyon Rising 2012 reads like a novel, but presents as fast-approaching reality….” [bold added]
- ‘GOD’S GHOSTBUSTERS’ ARE ON THE JOB! Exclusive: Jim Fletcher asks, ‘Who you going to call?’, Oct. 25, 2011. “There are several other terrific contributors to “God’s Ghostbusters [Tom Horn book],” so let me give you my personal guarantee: this book will be one of the most memorable you’ll ever read. It’s that good.” [bold added]
- THE NIGHTMARE WORLD OF ‘TRANS-HUMANISM’ Exclusive: Joseph Farah warns of federal research attempting to ‘better’ homo sapiens, Aug. 26, 2011. “It sounds like science fiction, but tragically it is science fact… Author and researcher Tom Horn lays it all out in “Trans-Humanism: Destroying the Barriers,” and hourlong [sic] DVD explores the radical transformation of humanity.” [bold added]
- SECRET U.S. EXPERIMENTS TO PROMPT 2ND COMING? ‘It’s the destruction of humanity and introduction of ‘its’ and ‘things’ that will make war against God,’ Exclusive: Joe Kovacs, Aug. 21, 2011. “Secret experiments now underway in the U.S. and elsewhere are sparking fears of a potential extinction-level event hastening the 2nd Coming of Jesus.” [bold added]
- TRAVELERS FROM OTHER PLANETS… OR FROM HELL? Exclusive: Jim Fletcher reviews, book where science fiction meets spiritual reality, Jan. 18, 2011. (Quoted above in the introduction.) 
- MEET THE GOD OF DEBAUCHERY, Sex-saturated Bacchanalia boiling up from the underworld, Oct. 7, 2008. “In ‘Nephilim Stargates: The Year 2012 and the Return of the Watchers,’ Thomas Horn ties, moral abandonment to an ancient spirit, known in antiquity as the Greek god Dionysus (Roman Bacchus) who represented the personification of unrestrained sexuality.” [bold added]
Besides Horn’s multiple websites, advertising his own Quantum Mysticism, most of his books and DVDs are also available at the WND Superstore. 
Chuck Missler has been a widely respected teacher who has a tremendous outreach into the evangelical world. His most recent controversial association with Tom Horn has cast a pall on his over his ministry. Missler, like Horn, also has a longstanding ministry relationship with Joseph Farah,  Founder and CEO of WND who has patriotic Dominionist leanings. Here are a few recent WND headlines illustrating both Missler’s mainstream status and his collaboration with Farah:
- CHUCK MISSLER JOINS WND CONFERENCE LINEUP – Scientist, CEO, Bible teacher to offer a geostrategic briefing (June 22, 2010). WASHINGTON – Chuck Missler, the scientist and former Fortune 500 chief executive officer turned Bible expositor, will make a presentation at WND’s “Taking America Back” conference in Miami Sept. 16-18…. ”Few people are as equipped to offer the perspectives Chuck Missler brings to the table to address the critical issues facing our country and our world,” said Farah, editor and chief executive officer of WND. “His background in the military, in the corporate world, in academia and in the Bible makes him a very special contributor.” [bold added]
- FARAH JOINS PERETTI, SHOEBAT, MISSLER IN CONFERENCE – Strategic Perspectives scheduled in Idaho (Sept. 23, 2009). “ WND founder Joseph Farah joins best-selling novelist Frank Peretti and former terrorist Walid Shoebat, Koinonia Institute founder Chuck Missler and more at a Strategic Perspectives Conference in Coeur D’Alene, Idaho, Oct. 23-25.  [bold added]
- FARAH TO SPEAK IN COEUR D’ALENE – Joins Keyes, Missler at ‘Strategic Perspectives Conference’ (Oct. 21, 2010). COEUR D’ALENE, Idaho – WND Editor and Chief Executive Officer Joseph Farah joins legendary Bible teacher Chuck Missler and former Ambassador and WND columnist Alan Keyes as a speaker at Koinonia Institute’s “Strategic Perspectives Conference” this weekend here.” [bold added]
- BIBLE STUDIES LIKE YOU’VE NEVER HEARD BEFORE – Keen, Holy Spirit-guided insight in Chuck Missler’s videos, books (Jan. 22, 2012). “No one provides Bible study insight like Chuck Missler, founder of Koinonia Institute, author, expositor and former Calvary Chapel teacher.” [bold added]
- INSIDERS TO SPILL DETAILS ON AMERICA’S FUTURE – Join Farah, Corsi at coming Koinonia Institute conference (Aug. 16, 2011)… The event is the Koinonia Institute’s Strategic Perspective Conference in Coeur D’Alene, Idaho, Nov. 4-5. “The Koinonia Institute, said that ‘extremely turbulent times’ are coming that ‘will test all of our presumptions and beliefs….” [bold added]
- NEW BIBLE TEACHING ABOUT ANGELS FROM CHUCK MISSLER – Check out all of his keen, Holy Spirit-guided insight on books, videos (April 14, 2012). “… A hidden army of protection: A reality that is normally hidden from our view. But are they real? What are the discoveries on the advance of science that may shed light on our understanding of them?” [bold added]
How influential is WND? How many people access WND’s website? Here is what the WND website reports about its readership:
It [WND] is a Top 500 website, according to Alexa.com, the search and ratings agency affiliate of Amazon.com, and the No. 1 independent news site. WND currently attracts nearly 5 million unique visitors a month and more than 40 million page views, according to its own internal monitoring software.  [bold added]
How many of the nearly “5 million unique visitors,” or “40 million page views” involved viewing postings promoting Tom Horn or Chuck Missler? How many of those readers purchased a Horn or Missler product from the WND Superstore? The point in asking is this: via WND’s vast Internet reach, many have already been exposed to these men and their false teachings.
However, Rabbi Cahn also has ties to the NAR. He shared in a Passover celebration April 5-8 with NAR elite apostles C. Peter Wagner, Chuck Pierce, Dutch Sheets, et al. Here is an opening excerpt of Pierce’s Glory of Zion letter to his ministry friends:
Dear Saints on the move:
What an incredible weekend! I am so grateful for how the Lord met us during our Passover Celebration, and for the revelation, anointing and alignment that took place. Our weekend was historic, and I fully believe we have crossed over into a new place of healing, miracles and Kingdom authority. Jonathan Cahn helped open our weekend when he shared on the harbingers which are serving to awaken our nation. We are in a season when our eyes must open to the signs the Lord is providing us.  [bold/underlining added, italics in original]
According to these prominent NAR Dominionists, Cahn’s “harbingers” are signs from the Lord. Note their application of his coded message. To them, this year’s Passover was an historic marker moving God’s saints into “a new place of healing, miracles and Kingdom authority.” (No mention was made concerning the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.)
Cahn’s The Harbinger is also for sale on the NAR-affiliated Elijah List, along with a glowing endorsement by Sid Roth, Messianic Jewish host of the television program It’s Supernatural, where Cahn was a guest.  To understand the context, note that past guests on Roth’s program have included NAR elite apostles such as Chuck Missler, Dr. Cindy Trimm, L.A. Marulli, Chuck Pierce, Rick Joyner, Patricia King and others.  Cahn wrote the cover article for Roth’s ministry newsletter in September of 2011, called Mishpochah (Hebrew for “family”). His mystical questions superimposed over a photo of the Statue of Liberty on the newsletter’s front page indicate how he is applying the coded message of his book:
Is it possible that there exists an ancient mystery in which is hidden the secret of America’s future? Is it possible that this mystery lies behind everything from 9/11, to the War in Iraq, to the American housing bubble and its bursting, to the crash of Wall Street and the global economy to the Great Recession and much more, even the President of the United States?
A Harbinger: That which foreshadows a future event; an omen, a herald, a sign: THE HARBINGER, BY Jonathan Cahn.  [bold added]
Many are sympathetic to Cahn’s views about America and agree with the warnings. But given the context of this article series, the use of hidden and coded messages embedded in the Bible, we must go beyond patriotic fervour and ask more serious questions. Are there coded secrets hidden in the Book of Isaiah? In the Roth article, Cahn not only approves with this method of decoding prophecy (by uncovering secret messages hidden beneath the biblical text) —then applying them to America—but moves his fictional book into the real world of prophecy with these pronouncements:
A number of years ago, as I was standing at the edge of Ground Zero in New York City, I came across the first puzzle piece of an ancient biblical mystery and a prophetic message known as The Harbinger that concerns the future of America. My friend Sid Roth asked if I could give you, his Mishpochah (family), some exclusive insight into the mystery of The Harbinger….
There is much more concerning the ancient mystery and what the future holds than I could possibly share here — but I do so now as a prophetic call to you as God’s people. On the biblical calendar, September is the time of the trumpet call, the days of repentance, and the calling to return. Our nation is in danger — and God is calling. Pray for America, for God’s mercy, for repentance, and revival. Arm yourself by ordering my seven CD series that reveals these ancient mysteries hidden in the pages of biblical prophecy (see ordering information on the right). Then pray that the message of The Harbinger now goes forth.  [bold added]
Why didn’t Cahn send readers to the Bible? Instead they discover that it will cost them $50 to find the answers to these secret mysteries (plus the cost of the book).  More marketing. Do his statements above—and his best-selling book—make Cahn a prophet to America? If so, then would a true prophet of God finds fellowship with false teachers and false prophets teaching a false gospel, especially the NAR leaders planning to take dominion over this nation? Sadly, a clear Gospel of salvation is not given in Cahn’s article.
In the June 2012 issue of the Berean Call, T.A. McMahon expresses concern over the unholy bedfellows with regard to Jonathan Cahn’s book:
One final thought—we all know the saying, “You shouldn’t judge a book by its cover,” and that’s a reasonable statement. But I like to check out book covers to see who’s endorsing them. That’s hardly a failsafe practice, but it can put me on “discernment alert” if it raises red flags. In the case of The Harbinger, a big red flag went up regarding the publisher. Though the cover
Says “Front Line,” it’s actually an imprint title of Charisma Media/Charisma House Book Group, the publisher of Charisma magazine. For those not familiar with Charisma, there are no other publication that has supported and promoted more of the unbiblical Word/Faith teachers, the “wealth and health” preachers, the Kingdom/Dominionists, the Apostles and Prophets of the New Apostolic Reformation, the so-called spiritual revivals of the Toronto Airport Vineyard, the Brownsville Revival, the Lakeland Revivals, the Latter Rain/Manifest Sons of God, and so forth. There is some irony in the fact that in chapter 9 of Isaiah, TH’s key biblical chapter, God brings down His judgment upon Israel because of “lying prophets.” Charisma has over the years featured many who fit that description. That doesn’t automatically throw TH into a bin of rotten apples, but it should at least cause one to examine its fruit very carefully. 
Meanwhile, Jonathan Cahn has gone even more mainstream, associating with other professing evangelicals, a few of whom are connected with the quantum collaborators. He was a presenter at The 2012 International Prophecy Conference in Florida this March with Tim LaHaye, Grant Jeffrey, Randall Price, et al. Hosting the event was Joe Van Koevering, head of the God’s News Behind the News prophecy ministry.  Van Koevering has had a friendship with the Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN),  as well as with quantum collaborator Chuck Missler. Both men have appeared on TBN’s Praise the Lord television program.  In April, Missler awarded Van Koevering with an honorary Koinonia Institute gold medallion. 
Missler was also a presenter at Joe van Koevering’s 2010 and 2011 International Prophecy conferences, along with Gary Kah and Grant Jeffrey. Jeffrey and Van Koevering have both appeared on Benny Hinn’s television program, This is Your Day. Hinn is an infamous false teacher/false prophet. The late Jeffrey also joined false Kansas City Prophet Bob Jones, dominonist Randy DeMain and quantum collaborator and NAR-affiliated David van Koevering (different from Joe) in an odd online business venture involving medicinal hyssop. Interestingly, David van Koevering, friend of Chuck Missler, [see Part 3] has prominently linked Joe van Koevering’s God’s New website on his own website.
This list of linkages could go on…. The point is that the same names keep coming up over and over again, and in similar contexts.
CAHN’S CODES AND CONNECTIONS
Recently, both Joseph Farah and Chuck Missler have taken an interest in yet another Christian author, Jonathan Cahn, whose book, The Harbinger, has taken America by storm, debuting on two New York Best Seller lists in January.  Farah produced a DVD based on Cahn’s semi-fictional book called: The Isaiah 9:10 Judgment—centering upon supposed secret prophecies hidden in the Book of Isaiah that portend America’s doom. Missler promotes this production on his website and his online bookstore. 
The Harbinger continues the pattern of finding coded secret messages about the future embedded in Scripture. Because this book is of a similar genre, and because it is taking America by storm, it is important to examine whether it is affiliated with the other quantum collaborators. Rabbi Jonathan Cahn has recently appeared as a guest on a wide spectrum of shows:
- It’s Supernatural television program with Sid Roth – September 19-25, 2011
- The Jim Bakker Show with Jim Bakker – December 15, 2011 
- CBN’s The 700 Club with Pat Robertson – January 12, 2012 
- Coast to Coast AM with George Noory – March 4, 2012 
- Daystar’s Celebration television program with Marcus and Joni Lamb – March 8, 2012 
- Prophecy in the News television program with Gary Stearman – April 13, 2012 
- Olive Tree Ministries’ Understanding the Times radio with Jan Markell – April 21, 2012 
- Rapture Ready Radio’s Afterglow with Tim Roden and Vince Tarquini – May 6, 2012 
However, Rabbi Cahn also has ties to the NAR. He shared in a Passover celebration April 5-8 with NAR elite apostles C. Peter Wagner, Chuck Pierce, Dutch Sheets, et al.
The question applies to Moriel Ministries, why does Jacob allow his segment to go in the DVD without first checking who is who, and why to go to the extent to defend a DVD that features Joel Richardson etc on the roundtable discussion video, why does Good Fight Ministries work with Joel Richardson, who is part of the apostasy and group himself with heretical teachers? After all, do they not accuse anyone who does not hold to their view of eschatology a Gnostic or heretic?
It is very interesting that the article mentioned on this write up exposes Rabbi Jonathan Cahn, but Good Fight Ministries does not seem to take issue with the fact that Joel Richardson is compromised and surrounds himself around false teachers such as Jim Bakker who is a word of faith teachers and Jonathan Cahn.
Joel Richardson, Jonathan Cahn and Jim Bakker.
Joel Richardson on his site has stipulated his involvement with Jim Bakker and Jonathan Cahn on the Bakker show. In the herescope article mentioned above about Jonathan Cahn, Cahn is known for his involvement with his New Apostolic Reformation, mystics and Ecumenical friends such as the Elijah lists C. Peter Wagner, Dutch Sheets, Dr. Charles D. “Chuck” Pierce, Barbara J. Yoder, Judy Jacobs, “Apostle” Kyle Searcy, Paul Keith Davis.
It is also known that most of the people within this group such as Chuck Pierce and C Peter Wagner supported Todd Bentley.
A question concerning Joel Richardson is this why would he want to compromise with no objection to Cahn’s mixture with proven false prophets, ecumenists, and Christian Mystics and why is no one discerning this issue?
Who are Joel Richardson’s other bedfellows?
The second point that is noticeable is Joel Richardson’s use of language does raise more questions concerning his statement “Joel’s heart is thoroughly missional”, this would make Joel Richardson Emergent because of his statement that “Joel’s heart is thoroughly missional”, but also, this puts into question why is Joe Schimmel going to the extent that he has involved himself with someone who just would overlook some essential errors concerning the names listed in Joel Richardson’s website.
The term missional is around ten years old it has been a term rooted in the emergent church according to Patheos
“I’ve written before about the term “missional.” It bends a lot of ways. It’s a term that basically anyone can use for whatever purpose they want — from a stalwart Southern Baptist neocon like Ed Stetzer to an Anabaptist pacifist like David Fitch. And then you’ve got the neo-con Barthian camp like Darrell Guder and John Franke. They’re all “missional,” and so are a dozen churches planting networks like TransForm, Forge, and the Parish Collective.”
So here’s a test. Imagine a Christian leader saying this: “I’m not missional.”
No one’s going to say that. Not a PC (USA) pastor, and not a PCA pastor. Not a just-war Augustinian, and not an Anabaptist pacifist. Scot McKnight will say he’s missional, and so will Brian McLaren. So will the pope. So will I.
You might say you’re not Presbyterian or you’re not emergent. But you’re not going to say that you’re not missional.
Meanwhile, we all know that the term “emergent” has been redefined by conservatives. As hard as we tried to use it as an open-ended term for an ongoing theological conversation, the theological police jumped up and down screaming that “emergent = liberal” that people started to believe it. Publishers, for instance, once loved the term; they now want nothing to do with it.
So my prediction is that people will keep using the term “missional” and defining it in their own ways. And I think that’s fine. But let’s all remember that with such a broad term that “missional” — like “evangelical,” or even “Christian” — what it really means lies in the definition of the speaker, and the interpretation of the hearer.
Bob DeWaay’s book The Emergent Church – Undefining Christianity. We publish it here because the terminology and concept of missional have spread throughout evangelicalism. Christians need to be warned that being “missional” has nothing to do with the fulfilment of the Great Commission.
Almost universally, people involved with the Emergent “conversation” espouse one theme: they consider themselves to be missional. Being “missional” is not what traditional Christians have known as “missions.” We have believed that the Christian mission was to send people with the message of the gospel to places where the gospel had not been heard—to preach it and establish churches. As Christianity became established in various cultures, other Christian workers usually came to establish schools, hospitals, and perform other practical expressions of Christian love and mercy. This is not what Emergent thinkers have in mind when they describe themselves as “missional.”
For one thing, the description above started with the idea of the gospel as defined in the Bible. The Emergent mission does not begin with any theological idea. It is not gleaned from Biblical texts such as this one: “and that repentance for forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem” (Luke 24:47). In fact the Emergent mission does not even start from a set of theological beliefs. I say this because their use of “missional” describes the idea that any works that make the world a better place to bring us toward the ideal future.
As we saw in the previous chapter, the Hegelian synthesis is ever lurking in the background of Emergent thinking; and this is the case with the idea of “missional.” For example, Brian McLaren writes concerning his idea of “missional:” “The term, as I understand it, attempts to find a generous third way beyond the conservative and liberal versions of Christianity so dominant in the Western world.”1 McLaren’s idea is that one does not begin with a set of theological beliefs that determine one’s mission, but rather begins with a mission and some sort of theology emerges in the process: “Theology is the church on a mission reflecting on its message, its identity, its meaning.”2 So in his thinking we can know our mission before we know theological truth.
Gaining Theology by Observing Pagans
Brian McLaren credits Vincent Donavan, a Roman Catholic missionary, as a key figure who inspired him to change his ideas about the meaning of salvation and the Christian mission. 9 He cites Donovan to support his claim that one’s mission is not to be found in a prior theological understanding:
I was to learn that any theology or theory that makes no reference to previous missionary experience, which does not take that experience into account, is a dead and useless thing . Praxis must be before theology. . . In my work [theology would have to proceed] from practice to theory. If a theology did emerge from my work, it would have to be a theology growing out of the life and experience of the pagan peoples of the savannahs of East Africa.10
This means that apparently having been given no clear instructions from Jesus Christ, the true Head of the Church, about what He wants us to do and teach, we gain a theology by observing the pagans. Furthermore, we have to allow practice to hold priority over belief.
Let us consider several ramifications of this “missional” thinking of the Emergent Church. First, rather than learning about God and His will from special revelation (the Bible) we must learn about Him from general revelation (observation of creation). The term “theology” means the study of God. General revelation shows us that there is a Creator (see Romans 1 and Psalm 19), but the knowledge gained through general revelation is not a saving knowledge—it is a condemning knowledge, according to Paul’s teaching in Romans 1. Saving knowledge comes through special revelation:
God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. . . . How shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation? After it was at the first spoken through the Lord, it was confirmed to us by those who heard, (Hebrews 1:1, 2 and 2:3)
With terms like missional used, I would be concerned with mixing in with anyone who would use such a term, as well as the type of people that Joel Richardson’s has shared a platform with.
Joel Richardson is notable for going on the following, this is numerous radio, television and news outlets across the world, including the Glenn Beck (Mormon) Show, the Mike Huckabee Show, the Gordon Liddy Show, the Dennis Miller Show, Chicago Public Radio, the Steve Malzberg Show, the Sid Roth Show, Jewish Voice Today, Janet Folger, Jan Markell, Janet Parshal, Kirby Anderson’s Point of View, the New York Daily News, WND, the Blaze, Front Page Magazine and many others.
It is only recently Joel Richardson removed the list of names on his site stating “Joel has also been featured on or written for numerous radio, television and news outlets across the world.” The question is why omit the previous information and not even put a statement or comment that he would regard some of them as false teachers and unbelievers?
When dealing with unbelievers such as Glenn Beck, etc., he should concern himself more with the gospel and take on the Apostle Paul’s example, Philippians 3:14, “I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.”
What Genn Beck believes?
Glenn Beck stated that he is a Mormon,
The next question, with about 40 seconds to go, was about the deep doctrinal issues of Mormonism, and I’ve got to tell you something. I want you to put yourself in my shoes. Mormons, the doctrine is different. However, that’s what attracted me to it. For me, some of the things in traditional doctrine just doesn’t work, but it works for millions of other people and that’s great. Happens to work for millions of Mormons the other way. That’s great. You know, I’m not going to preach to you, you don’t have to preach to me. We’ll pray for each other and we’ll see each other on the other side hopefully.
“Beck has acknowledged that the Mormon “doctrine is different” from traditional Christianity, but said that this was what attracted him to it, stating that “for me some of the things in traditional doctrine just doesn’t work.” Beck is an ordained minister with the Universal Life Church Monastery.” Wikipedia
Glenn Beck by his statement is not a Christian as he does not believe the biblical gospel, in spite of this many have involved themselves with Glenn Beck including Joel Richardson.
Chuck Pierce offered Glenn Beck a “new mantle for the future” at a ceremony at the Global Spheres Center on Sunday morning in Corinth, Texas.
Considering the conservative media voice is a Mormon, the act was immediately met with debate.
Pierce publicly addressed the debate on the post:
“Glenn Beck is devoted to Israel. The mantle was given from Israel. Many Jews have never had salvation experiences. Many individuals in Methodist, Baptist, Catholic churches, etc. may have never had salvation experiences. However, one could bear witness to Glenn’s testimony. I look forward to him, like all of us, experiencing a new dimension of God’s Spirit and Grace. Blessings!”
Dave Hunts Berean Call got it spot on: “TBC: We have exposed some of the false teaching advanced by Chuck Pierce (see https://www.thebereancall.org/book/export/html/8902). His recent “mantling” (a reference to the mantle of Elijah and his giving Elisha that mantle) shows Pierce as too willing to operate outside of Scripture and his explanation for his actions sadly mangles Scripture. Pierce states, “Glenn Beck, like Cyrus, has a voice to change this nation.” Cyrus did nothing to change his nationality or Israel. He issued a decree allowing Israel to rebuild the temple, but that’s it. Pierce also references “prophets” (but not biblical) who have “prophesied that those in the Mormon religion will have revival.” Mormons do not know the Christ of the Bible, but still follow the “Christ” taught by a false prophet Joseph Smith who received a gospel from an alleged angel from heaven. “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed” (Galatians:1:8).”
Not only has Joel Richardson gone along with a Mormon but also other notable names of false teachers and organisations that are promoted, this includes Jim Bakker, Sid Roth, Mike Bickle, Walid Shoebat, Paul Wilbur, TBN, Pat Robertson 700 Club, CBN News, Joel Rosenburg (listed 2009), IHOP (International House of Prayer), Jonathan Cahn, Mark Biltz, Chuck Missler, OHOP, Daystar TV. Joel Richardson is a frequent Speaker at Billy Humphrey’s IHOP Atlanta.
(Joel Richardson’s personal website endorsements include people who are part of the NAR, the Elijah list, a Catholic Professor, and ecumenists, etc., why include such false teachers and deceivers on his personal website?
It makes you wonder as Rome is so busy concerning itself with Islam, that Joel Richardson is focused on an Islamic anti-Christ as a distraction from Rome’s true agenda.
Chuck Missler, Sid Roth, Joseph Farah, Daniel Juster, Billy Humphrey (IHOP), Paul Wilbur, Dr. William Kilpatrick (Catholic) who taught at Boston College (Jesuit) for many years, James W. Goll (Elijah List Member, NAR).
A brief summary of the most notable names on the Joel Richardson’s list of endorsements would ask the question, why is the RCC so focused and obsessed with with an anti-Christ religion such as Islam that many are becoming distracted from Rome’s anti-Christ’s real agenda?
Chuck Missler (CFR): is known for his teachings on the Nephilim, ufos and his teachings in the book of Enoch. Missler has also promoted and endorsed a book that teaches necromancy by Have Hart, Misser is also noted for his endorsement of Rick Warren, Missler said in his defense of Rick Warren, “Rick Warren, a pastor whom we regard very highly.“, Missler is also notable for his involvement with Promise Keepers and God TV‘s prosperity teachers Wendy and Rory Alec, as well as his involvement (1, 2) with a member of the Club of Rome Justo Lacunza-Balda, Joel Richardson is involved with Chuck Missler.
Sid Roth: is known for giving broadcast time to people who are promoting false dreams and false visions such as Patricia King and Joshua Mills, Sid Roth is known for giving air time to Todd Bentley and is very closely associated with TBN and Joel Richardson.
Joseph Farah: Is a promoter of Horn’s and Missler’s Quantum Mysticism, Joseph Farah and Chuck Missler have taken an interest in yet another Christian author, Jonathan Cahn, whose book, The Harbinger, has taken America by storm, debuting on two New York Best Seller lists in January. Farah produced a DVD based on Cahn’s semi-fictional book called: The Isaiah 9:10 Judgment—centering upon supposed secret prophecies hidden in the Book of Isaiah that portends America’s doom. Missler promotes this production on his website and his online bookstore.
The Harbinger continues the pattern of finding coded secret messages about the future embedded in Scripture. Because this book is a similar genre, and because it is taking America by storm. It is important to examine whether it is affiliated with the other quantum collaborators. Its author Rabbi Jonathan Cahn, Joseph Farah has also been known as a Dominionist sympathizer  with radical right views, Farah just re-released his Dominionist-leaning 2005 book, Taking America Back: A Radical Plan to Revive Freedom, Morality, and Justice, as well introducing his latest work, The Tea Party Manifesto: A Vision for an American Rebirth earlier this year.
Daniel Juster:, “His academic background includes a B.A. in Philosophy, Wheaton College; M.Div., McCormick Seminary; Philosophy of Religion Graduate Program, Trinity Evangelical Divinity School, and Th.D., New Covenant International Seminary, an unaccredited Florida Seminary  . Juster holds a doctorate in theology from an unaccredited Florida Seminary. And was an adjunct professor at Fuller Seminary. He now teaches at The King’s University in Van Nuys, California.” (Wikipedia)
Juster is known for his support of IHOP and Mike Bickle, “Tikkun under Daniel Juster and IHOP under Mike Bickle have made a covenant with each other for the sake of the Kingdom of God. BOTH need to be grafted into each other. The church, according to Paul in Romans 11 has MUCH to gain through this, but Messianic Jews also need to be grafted into the church, and tap in on the GOOD of the last 2000 years of history. In THIS way, God can use the union of the “One New Man” of Ephesians 2, to ready Israel as a nation to be born again in a day. In the meantime, the Jews are coming into Messiah to make the greater goal possible one day.” (Statement by Daniel Juster)
Daniel Juster: is an adviser to Aglow International along with Dr. Che Ahn, Rev. Francis Frangipane, Rev. James W. Goll, Rev. Tom Hess, Rev. Cindy Jacobs, Rev. Rick Joyner, Mr. George Otis, Jr., Rev. Ed Silvoso, Rev. Dutch Sheets, Dr. C. Peter Wagner, Rev. Robert Weiner, Dr. Charles Pierce, etc.
Daniel Juster is also involved with Promise Keepers.
It is interesting to know that James W. Goll and Daniel Juster is on Joel Richardson’s endorsement page.
Billy Humphrey (IHOP): (1) Stated on the IHOP site Bill Humphrey is very much involved as being part of the Brownsville Revival and Christ for the Nations, After spending 12 ½ years in youth ministry in a thriving church in Metro Atlanta, the Lord began to deal with Billy and Maribeth to transition their lives and embrace the mandate of night and day prayer. Through a number of dramatic prophetic experiences, the Lord made it clear that they were to plant a house of prayer in Atlanta that would have as its central facet the reality of 24/7 worship and intercession. Through God’s sovereign plan, Billy and Maribeth met Mike Bickle in the summer of 2003 and it became clear that they were to move to Kansas City to work with the leadership team there in order to be trained to plant a house of prayer missions base in Atlanta, similar to the International House of Prayer in Kansas City.
Billy and Maribeth have unusual leadership abilities. They have been trained in our context and have established in Atlanta a Missions Base similar to ours in Kansas City. As Director of the International House of Prayer in Kansas City, I recommend the International House of Prayer Atlanta and invite you to consider partnering with them.
Billy Humphrey has the conviction for an International House of Prayer that is much needed. It has been prophesied that the city of Atlanta will be a revival city, and prayer is the way to revival. I commend him for his work and am pleased to endorse him. He is doing a wonderful job with this kingdom expression.
Bishop Wellington Boone
The Father’s House, Atlanta, Georgia
Speaker, Promise Keepers
Wellington Boone Ministries
IHOP openly Promotes Contemplative Prayer/ Visualization Based on Occultism and New Age Christianity; IHOP is also part of the latter rain movement, Bickle’s IHOP Forerunner Bookstore even stocks John Crowder’s book Miracle Workers, Reformers, and the New Mystics. (apprising ministries)
Paul Wilbur: Paul Wilbur is an ecumenist charismatic known in the Messianic movement which promotes the Davidic dominionist doctrine of raising Davids tabernacle, Paul Wilbur has been a supporter of the Catholic Charismatic group the Community of Jesus which organises an International and Interdenominational Praise Worship Conference, Paul Wilbur’s name is alongside the following Kenneth and Gloria Copeland, Mike Bickle, Don Moen, Martin Nystrom, Michael Coleman (Integrity Music) Mike Herron, Tommy Tenney, Tom Inglis, Dott. Eric Belcher, Pat and Ron Allen, Anthony Sanchez, Palemon Camu, Shelley Elizabeth Hundley, Jill Austin were the main speakers at the latest Conferences.
I had written about Paul Wilbur some time back in 2012; I would also like you to know that Paul Wilbur has also been involved with IHOP and Promise Keepers.
Joel Richardson is also involved with Paul Wilbur. In their conferences together.
Dr. William Kilpatrick (Catholic): who taught at Boston College (Jesuit) for many years.
(Joel Richardson has this person on his personal website as an endorsement)
Quote from the link (Jesuit) above “Boston College is committed to maintaining and strengthening the Jesuit, Catholic mission of the University, and especially its commitment to integrating intellectual, personal, ethical, and religious formation; and to uniting high academic achievement with service to others.
Jesuits are active in all aspects of University life with a community of more than 150 Jesuits serving as faculty and administrators or studying for advanced degrees within Boston College’s various schools. Members of the Jesuit community also offer Ignatian retreats and spiritual direction to faculty, staff and students.”
James W. Goll: (Elijah List Member, NAR) James W. Goll is the President of Encounters Network, Director of Prayer Storm, and coordinates Encounters Alliance, a coalition of leaders. He is Director of God Encounters Training – an e-school of the heart and is a member of the Harvest International Ministries apostolic team. He has shared Jesus in more than 50 nations worldwide teaching and imparting the power of intercession, prophetic ministry, and life in the Spirit. James is the prolific author of numerous books and has also produced multiple study guides and hundreds of audio and video messages. James was married to Michal Ann for 32 years before her graduation to Heaven in the fall of 2008. James has four adult children who all love Jesus, and continues to make his home in the rolling hills of Franklin, Tennessee.
James Goll is also a supporter of John Crowder: Combining a depth of historical research and passion for Jesus, John Crowder brings together a rare blend of an emerging generation voice. His writings inspire me, challenge me, and make me turn my head. His calling to take the historical orthodoxy of the Holy Spirit packaged into a “today’s style” is an amazing work of art.
James W. Goll Cofounder, Encounters Network, and Prayer Storm Director
Question setting eschatology aside, why has Joel Schimmel and Jacob Prasch failed to exercise discernment with regards to Joel Richardson and advising people to take in what Joel Richardson is teaching?
There are clear ramifications to what is being done here, this is sidestepping the real issues into arguing a point that is not an essential doctrine, it is instead that Joel Richardson is supporting and housing heretical teachers who are leading many people away from essential doctrine. It is strongly advisable that we should be keeping away from anyone remotely in working partnership with Joel Richardson until he comes out against the very people he has mixed himself with.
Joel Schimmel, Roger Oakland, Pual McGuire and Mike Hoggard at the Red River Bible and Prophecy Conference. Joe Schimmel has again failed to see how dangerous it is when it comes to putting his discernment aside. Regardless of not yoking or endorsing, I believe that Joe Schimmel has compromised when it comes down to Paul McGuire and Prophecy Club speaker Mike Hoggard, you may as well be sitting next to the people at the Elijah list ran conference’s, it is sad to see that Roger Oakland is doing the same thing as Joe in this regard.
Paul McGuire: is a featured host on God TV as well being involved with the following people: Jonathan Cahn, Word of Faith teacher Cindy Jacobs, who admits she is a false prophet, Pro-Roman Catholic Walid Shoebat, Pat Boone is an elder in the Hayford’s church, and Trinity Broadcasting Network’s (TBN), Pat Boone is ecumenical because he is part of the Hayford’s Church as an elder (Biblical Discernment Ministries – Revised 2/99)
Paul McGuire and Chuck Pierce
For those who forgot Chuck Pierce was part of a group of people responsible
for bringing Todd Bentley to God TV along with C. Peter Wagner as can be
seen in this video, Chuck Pierce is called an Apostle.
Chuck Pierce is also responsible for restoring Todd Bentley to ministry
after Todd Bentley had got married to the woman, he committed adultery with
after he divorced his wife.
Chuck Pierce gives Mormon Glenn Beck the Mantle,
Chuck Pierce says “Concerning Glenn Beck and his family,
I enjoyed being with and hosting them. Jesus would have done the same.
Glenn is a Mormon. However, many prophets have prophesied that
those in the Mormon religion will have revival. How would that
ever happen without someone like Falma praying and
someone like me opening my heart to embrace the
opportunity? I honestly know that it is “not by might nor by power
but by the Spirit” that any of this can change.”
Ref: Charisma News
Cindy Jacobs, Paul Mcguire, R. Loren Sandford and Hubert Synn (AKA Hubie Synn).
From this list in the image above you can see who Paul Mcguire’s bedfellows are, for example, Cindy Jacobs is a false prophet and is very much involved with C. Peter Wagner.
JESUS CULTURE’S SPIRITUAL MOTHER CINDY JACOBS ADMITS SHE’S A FALSE PROPHET
By Ken Silva pastor-teacher on Jan 25, 2013 in Current Issues, Features *****************<——
To quote Ken Silva here is an article about Cindy Jacobs.
This online apologetics and discernment ministry (OADM) Apprising Ministries continues to do our part to alert you to increasing syncretism within apostatizing mainstream evangelicalism. Below I give you another example of how what should be important doctrinal differences are rapidly being obscured.
Consider Jesus Culture’s Kim Walker-Smith’s Alleged Encounter With God The Father And Jesus Christ. Kim Walker-Smith (KWS) is worship leader with, and executive team member of, Jesus Culture—which is a ministry that extends from Bethel Church (BC) of heretical New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) Pastor Bill Johnson.
Also, KWS is/has been worship matrix at the BC. Once these NAR wingnuts were relegated to the hyper-charismatic shadows on the very outskirts of evangelicalism. However, a few weeks ago Louie Giglio made the ill-fated decision to bring in BC’s Jesus Culture into minister to his Passion 268 Generation.
Evangelical luminaries John Piper and Beth Moore also shared the platform with Jesus Culture at Passion 2013 further validating this group/movement that had, until then, been pretty much under the radar within mainstream evangelicalism. Which brings us around now to NAR “Apostle” Cindy Jacobs.
Here is a video where she is supposedly raising a child from the dead by commanding “the spirit of death” to leave the child:
As I’ve said before, if your spiritual discernment is so far off that you truly can’t see this woman is a false prophet, and you think she’s speaking for God, then you’d best question your relationship to Jesus. And yet, we find out that Cindy Jacobs is a regular speaker at Jesus Culture events.
With this in mind, below you’ll see Banning Liebscher from JC’s Revival Chats with Jacobs, whom he’ll call “one of our dear friends.” By the way, Liebsher is:
BC pastor Liebscher also tells us below that Cindy Jacobs has “become a real mom to our movement” and has “spoken a ton [of prophetic word] into what we’re doing.” It’s important here to note that he calls JC a “movement.” Here’s Liebscher and Jacobs video link
This gives you another clear depiction of just how extremely off-target this Jesus Culture Movement is. Again, keep in mind here this all is an extension of heretical Bill Johnson’s BC, and together they’re so spiritually obtuse that they would, not only be promoting the work of Cindy Jacobs but think they’re learning from this false prophet.
Another one Paul Mcguire has can be seen with R. Loren Sandford in the conference; R. Loren Sandford is part of the (NAR) and The Elijah List called R. Loren Sandford.
About R. Loren Sandford: R. Loren Sandford is the eldest son of John and Paula Sandford, widely recognized as pioneers in the charismatic renewal, prophetic ministry, and inner healing. A graduate of Fuller Theological Seminary, Loren has been in ministry full time since 1976 and is the founding pastor of New Song Fellowship in Denver, Colorado, where he serves as the pastoral coordinator for the western region of Partners in Harvest, (Ecumenical), the church affiliation that has grown from the Toronto outpouring. He is the author of “Purifying the Prophetic: Breaking Free from the Spirit of Self-fulfillment,”Understanding Prophetic People: Blessings and Problems with the Prophetic Gift,” and most recently, “The Prophetic Church: Wielding the Power to Change the World,” among others. Married since 1972, he and Beth have two daughters and one son who have collectively given them eight grandchildren. Loren is also a member of the Osage Nation, a Native American heritage he deeply treasures.
Partners in Harvest:
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It is a relational network which draws together churches and ministries whose primary accountability structure is denominational in nature, yet who desire to relate with others flowing in revival. For this reason, Catholics, Baptists, Anglicans and many others join hands in unity under the broad banner of Jesus Christ.
(Herbert) Hubie Synn: Best known for his book The Tales of a Wandering Prophet.
Hubie Synn has a history with Jonathan Cahn that Cahn created the forward to Hibie Synn’s book; Jonathan Cahn is known for his partnership with Kenneth Copeland.
Kenneth Copeland to the left of Pope Francis
It is not surprising as Jonathan Cahn is supported by Paul Mcguire.
Hubie Synn at Bill Johnsons called Bethel in Redding, Bill Johnson is a controversial teacher who promotes gnostic and new age mysticism, Hubie Synn demonstrates his enthusiasm for this church would be a good indication you would not want to be associated or influenced by this so-called self-professed prophet.
Why is Joe Schimmel, Jacob Prasch, and Moriel supporting and having unity with one of the people from the (NAR) namely Paul Mcguire?????
Remeber Jacobs Prasch own words about Paul Mcguire, “Our friend Brother Paul McGuire.“, why is Moriel Ministries and Good Fight Ministries aligning themselves with people like Paul Mcguire who are supportive of the so-called prophets in Bill Johnsons camp, the New Apostolic Reformation, God TV and the Elijah list etc and this is done in the name of “biblical prophecy”, this should put into question the credibility of Jacob Prasch and Joe Schimmels ability to discern.
Who is Paul Mcguire?????
Paul McGuire: is a Senior Pastor at Paradise Mountain Church International and is a licensed minister through both Paradise Mountain Church International and the International Church of the Foursquare Gospel and is a professor and taught at Jack Hayford’s King’s College and Seminary for over 20 years, until the school relocated to Texas.
His ministry has been publicly endorsed by Jack Hayford, Francis Schaeffer, Edith Schaeffer, Tim and Beverly LaHaye, James and Shirley Dobson, Dr. DJ. James Kennedy, Pastor Chuck Smith, the late Dr. Bill Bright, Campus Crusade for Christs (Interfaith) and many others.
Paul Mcguire also stated that he was “discipled by Dr. Jack Hayford, who is one of his spiritual fathers.”
Jack Hayford has been personal friends with Benny Hinn.
Paul Mcguire places Jacob Prasch name along side heretical and questionable teachings stating “among the leaders Paul has met, worked with or interviewed on a personal level are leaders like Jack Hayford, Tim LaHaye, Chuck Smith, David Hocking, Pat Robertson, James Dobson, Rick Warren, the late Dr. D. James Kennedy, Charles Stanley, John McArthur, Dave Hunt, Rick Joyner, Jacob Prasch, Hank Hannegraff, Benny Hinn, General Shimon Erem, Joel Rosenberg, Waleed Shoebat, Jack Hibbs, Ed Hindson, Mark Hitchcock, Che Ahn, Hal Lindsey, Lou Engle Chuck Missler, the late Dr. Bill Bright, the Francis Schaeffer Edith Schaeffer and numerous other leaders. An intensive study of God’s Word, along with a formative theology shaped by Francis Schaeffer and Jack Hayford, have given Paul a unique understanding of “Prophecy In The Local Church.”
Background on Jack Hayford (Biblical Discernment Ministries – Revised 2/99).
(a) Hayford spoke at the 1989 Billy Graham/Lausanne II conference (with John Wimber, David Yonggi Cho, and Dick Eastman), and has appeared at other ecumenical events such as Robert Schuller “success” conferences. [Hayford also endorsed Schuller’s 1996 autobiography — Prayer: My Soul’s Adventure With God.]
(b) In 10/91, Hayford visited Sydney, Australia with John Wimber (the “signs & wonders,” Church Growth, Power Evangelism, Vineyard Movement founder and leader who died in 1997) to hold a “holiness conference” (a number of Catholic priests also spoke at the conference).
(c) In the 10/91 issue of Charisma magazine, Hayford relates a vision of seeing Jesus seated in heaven and then rising from the throne. Hayford states: “As the anointing caught in the folds of His garments, it began to splash out and fall over the church.” Jesus then supposedly said, “I am beginning to rise now in preparation for my second coming. Those who will rise with me will share in this double portion of anointing.”
(d) Hayford praised Richard Foster for his efforts in bringing together all the streams of the church. (Foster is the head of Renovaré, an international ecumenical organization that espouses the use of guided imagery and visualization as means of obtaining “personal spiritual renewal.”)
Paul McGuire’s questionable teachings, (herescope) in a March 19 NewsWithViews article entitled, “Lucifer, Nephilim and the Fourth Dimensional DNA War.” In the excerpt below, note McGuire’s repeated reference to “the Fourth Dimension”—a New Age philosophy adopted by David (Paul) Yonggi Cho—author of the heretical book The Fourth Dimension published in 1979. He also connects the idea of a Fourth Dimension the Nephilim in a preposterous New Age scenario that involves, ominously, corrupted human DNA:
Going back to the highly advanced civilizations before the Flood, beings descended upon the Earth from the Fourth Dimension to have sexual relations with human women, which produced the hybrid race of the Nephilim. Human beings, who originally inhabited planet Earth as it was intended, were immortal and lived in Paradise. They were created from the substance of the Earth based on original-source programming which was imbedded in their DNA by the Infinite Personal Living God the Universe.
However, the first man and woman chose to shatter their perfect world. Then they allowed their DNA code to be deconstructed by Fourth Dimensional energies and began to experience a brand new reality… death. Additionally, they opened a portal into the Fourth Dimension which allowed the sons of God to enter the physical world. These sons of God, the B’nai Elohim, began mating with human women and producing a race of god men called the Nephilim. This interbreeding re-programmed the DNA code of Mankind and a kind of DNA War began. The cosmic war between God and Lucifer that started in the Fourth Dimension was now being fought on Earth. The Flood of Noah was a pre-emptive strike by God to destroy the reprogrammed DNA code. But the sons of God returned to the Earth and the sexual relations with human women began again, bringing the return of the Nephilim, who currently walk among us, and the DNA war continues.  [all emphases added]
This “Fourth Dimensional DNA” teaching is totally foreign to the Word of God. It actually belongs to the New Age realm of Quantum Mysticism.  The occult concept of a “fourth dimension” is defined as an “astral plane” where one can access the realms of the paranormal and do “astral travel”! 
Note that the word “sin” does not appear in Paul McGuire’s teaching on Adam and Eve. Instead, he says that our first parents “opened a portal” for unseen cosmic warriors to invade the earth when their DNA was “re-programmed” by the “interbreeding” that went on with “Fourth Dimensional” beings. This is pure heresy. These ideas, not only sound like a Hollywood sci-fi script, but destroy the foundation of the Gospel of salvation. (Rom. 5:12-14)
McGuire offers more clues to how mortal believers engage the unseen forces in this “Fourth Dimensional war” in a NewWithViews article about “cosmic warfare” entitled, “The Future of America: Cosmic Warfare, Parallel Universes, and the Matrix.” As you read these excerpts note the urgent, militant, and mystical tone. Note its focus on spiritual “forces” and “energies,” and its many parallels to the mystical “Quantum Spirituality” taught by many New Age and NAR leaders:
- Everything we see in our nation and world is the product of information from an invisible realm or parallel universe. What happens in the invisible realm produces, whether good or bad, the reality we see… when you look closely at the top of the Luciferian pyramid you see that it extends way beyond the present dimension in which we live into the invisible realm or parallel universe.
- If you don’t like what you see in reality, then you must learn how to enter this invisible realm and access what some call the “Keys of the Kingdom.” These keys are spiritual mechanisms for changing reality. They are also referred to as spiritual weapons. They are the fastest, most efficient and
powerful way to release power into the earth that can change reality!
- … see the massive supernatural armies of the Lord. Jesus Christ taught all those who follow His teachings how to use the supernatural keys of the kingdom which can change reality in the physical realm. This is no peripheral issue with Christ… it is central. He has restored both authority and dominion to those who are synchronized with His Word.
- Mankind throughout history has used science and technology to harness power…. Many of the men like Einstein, Tesla and Edison did not come up with inventions and sources of power… [I] if you read about their lives you will see that all of these men had to develop methodologies that allowed them to access information supernaturally from another dimension. It is possible to access on a personal level, a societal level, and a global level the most powerful force in the Universe. It is not until men and women begin to learn how to access and direct that power that there can be change on a national, global and cosmic level. All of these works within the framework of the prophetic plan of God, for that is one of the laws regarding its use.  [all emphases added]
- Think of the keys as a way to release the most powerful force in the universe into our reality. Currently, our world is filled with chaos and upheaval. There appears to be an opposing force at work that is composed of Luciferian energy. Through Bible prophecy, we know what the greater plan is and what this force intends to do with humanity and the world.
… Jesus Christ clearly taught “Occupy until I come.”
The Bible does not direct believers to “access information supernaturally from another dimension” in order to “access” the “Keys of the Kingdom” so that they can “change reality in the physical realm”—or to take control over foreboding forces penetrating hyper-dimensional portals. Shamans have attempted to do these things for centuries—unholy underworld activities that are forbidden to Christians (Deut. 18:10; Rev. 9:21). This description of “powerful forces” reminds one of Daniel’s description of the Antichrist’s “god of forces” (Dan. 11:38). It sounds like “the Force” of Star Wars!
Besides appearing be be writing something out of an occult manual for witches, shamans, or sorcerers, McGuire wrests Jesus’ words, “Occupy until I come,” out of context and meaning. Luke 19:13 actually reads, “And he [the Lord Jesus] called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, ‘Occupy till I come’ [KJV].” Or, as the NASB reads, “’Do business with this until I come back.’” In the context of this passage, the Lord Jesus was giving the disciples a parable because they thought that He was going to set up His Kingdom immediately. Jesus was simply saying to them that He was going to have to go away first, but that He would return at a later time. In His absence, the Lord expected His servants to “occupy”—that is—to “carry on business” as good stewards of the resources He left them—until He came back. There is NO mention here of “cosmic warfare” or wielding “powerful forces,” or other such things. Nevertheless, this verse is a popular one in the NAR, and used to further the doctrines of Dominionism.
Despite these—and other unbiblical teachings—McGuire has gained an acceptance among other evangelicals. He was a featured speaker at the Red River Valley Bible and Prophecy Conference in Fargo-Moorhead March 14-17, alongside Eric Barger, Carl Teichrib, and Mike Hoggard. He will join the speaking platform at the Pike’s Peak Prophecy Summit this summer in Colorado Springs, CO with several Postmodern Prophecy Paradigm (PPP) adherents including: Tom Horn, Chuck Missler, Cris Putnam, L.A. Marzulli, Gary Stearman, Jonathan Cahn, Joseph Farah, Douglas Woodward, Derek & Sharon Gilbert, Skiba, and others. McGuire is also a professor at Jack Hayford’s King’s College and Seminary.
Through the multi-faceted works of these notable leaders, and many more, this PPP deception continues to grow exponentially. And with the emerging convergence with the NAR, there is evidence that this cosmic militant warfare rhetoric will increase.
Why is Joe Schimmel attending a conference, playing with Paul McGuire, who is part of the New Apostolic Reformation Teachings?
Jack Hayford introduces Peter Wagner and Paul Mcguire.
Jack Hayford is an avid proponent of exorcism (casting out demons) and has launched – from Hayford’s Van Nuys, CA megachurch – a global ministry described in a May 9, 2003 Associated Press story by AP religion writer Richard P. Ostling as teaching “do-it-yourself exorcism.” Jack Hayford gave a closing prayer at George W. Bush’s first inaugural prayer service, January 21, 2001.
In the 1993 video segment below, Jack Hayford introduces C. Peter Wagner’s talk on the newly-minted practice of “Spiritual Mapping.” (explanation of Spiritual Mapping – see footnote). At roughly 50 minutes into the talk, Wagner launched into an explanation of how the nation of Japan was collectively demonized, and the Japanese economy undermined, because the Japanese emperor had intercourse with a territorial demon called the Sun Goddess who, Wagner speculates, may be a succubus.
According to Daily Beast writer Max Blumenthal, Hayford is a confident of United States GOP Senator John Ensign. Jack Hayford is current president of the International Church of The Foursquare Gospel and pastor of the 20,000-plus member Van Nuys, California Church on the Way, announced in late May 2009 that he will conclude his five-year service as president of the Foursquare Gospel Pentecostal denomination, variously listed as having between 5 and 10 million members worldwide………
Other notable aspects of Hayford’s ministry and endorsements include his appointment of New World Order and international banking / Federal Reserve conspiracy theorist Paul McGuire, author of “The Day The Dollar Died”, to teach Biblical prophecy at Hayford’s King’s College.
One of McGuire’s courses was based on the Book of Daniel and liberally interwove New World Order / Illuminati / Federal Reserve conspiracy theory with Bible verse. McGuire is currently teaching a course based on the Book of Ezekiel.
Along with fellow conspiricist Gary Kah, Paul McGuire has appeared in early 2009 on GodTV, which claims to be able to reach several hundred million viewers worldwide, to promote NWO/Illuminati/Federal Reserve conspiracy theory ideas. McGuire has also recently begun producing YouTube video shorts, filmed in bucolic outdoor setting such as atop a bluff, next to the Ocean, in Malibu, California, in which McGuire expounds on apocalyptic and New World Order conspiracy themes.
[below: Paul McGuire describes depopulation scheme of evil elite who he claims are having body parts cloned in “secret laboratories”, and breeding, in those secret laboratories, a “genetically perfect master race”.]
Since writing about Joe Schimmel’s participation at the Red River Prophecy Conference there has been some reaction as we had expected following excuses to justify what Joe Schimmel did by going along as a speaker at the conference, the same explanations has been used by Chuck Missler and Ray Comfort when they were challenged over simular issues about sharing platforms as speakers with notable false teachers etc.
Tony Palacio, who claims to work for GFM, states on Facebook, “If you are at all familiar with Good Fight Ministries, you would know that we are first and foremost a discernment ministry.”
It is telling for a discernment ministry if they knew the history of the Red River Prophecy Conference would they have accepted the invitation for Joe Schimmel to speak there? Or is it the case like Ray Comfort and Chuck Missler they will speak anywhere they are invited with the added caveat used to justify anything they set their minds to with the added “We have absolutely nothing to do with Paul McGuire or his ministry. Paul spoke at a conference where Joe was also invited to speak; that is the extent of it.”
This is skipping around the point that GFM should have made it publically known and that they should have spoken out against the likes of Paul McGuire and Mike Hoggard but GFM did not do that as a discernment ministry should, people who either work for or defend GFM will make more excuses to counteract what is written here to the extent of making that old excuse of saying “Character Assassination”, “being untrue and unjustified” it would appear that they are deliberately avoiding the issues here than dealing with the very people who are not teaching correct theology, the meat and bones of this are that they do not like criticism.
On the No-pre trib group does acknowledge that Paul Mcguire does teach blasphemous teaching, the point is this if they now know that and Tony Palacio would admit this, and this is a good thing to hear, the question is why is there nothing written against Paul McGuire on the GFM website? Maybe they will, but that remains to be seen instead Joe Schimmel will be appearing a second time in a different conference that features Paul McGuire hosted by prophecy in the news and on this occasion he will also be sharing a platform with a member of Rev. Sun M’young, Moonie group “Inter-Religious and International Federation for World Peace”, Clyde Rivers.
Tony Palacio then says:
You would have a point if Joe Schimmel joined Paul McGuire at these other questionable events with those other questionable speakers. That was not the case with the Red River Bible Conference. The hosts of this conference are good, God-fearing men with a passion for truth.
Tony Palacio is being disingenuous here he is demonstrating he knows far less about the Red River Bible Conference hosts then he claims to, he calls the organisers good, God-fearing men with a passion for truth, this is not a true statement, the conference has a history of false teachers but I also would not go to the extent to say that anyone of us is good, the Bible teaches in Luke’s gospel that God is the only one who has that right to be described as being good.
It is on us to be as Bereans examining backgrounds and the teachings of these people anything less than this standard would be to compromise.
Tony Palacio states:
The other speakers were excellent (Mike Hoggard, Carl Teichrib, Roger Oakland). I would put this in a MUCH different category than what you are making this out to be.
Is Mike Hoggard receiving an endorsement from GFM? This question needs to be asked since Tony Palacio works for GFM as stated on Facebook, he then speaks for GFM.
Let us examine Red River Prophecy Conference and Mike Hoggard.
Pastor Mike Hoggard and Red River Prophecy Conference:
POSTMODERN PROPHECY PARADIGM LEADER: Mike Hoggard (Referred to in these articles as
“PPP” leaders.) Mike Hoggard teaches all this in his broadcasts and his books.
TITLE OF ARTICLE: Techno-Dimensional Prayer Combat
Promoting new methods of hyper-spiritual warfare devised to combat the Nephilim, pagan gods, dark angels, extraterrestrials, and transhumanist monsters
Red River Valley Bible and Prophecy Conference in Fargo-Moorhead March 14-17, alongside Eric Barger, Carl Teichrib, and MIKE HOGGARD. He will join the speaking platform at the Pike’s Peak Prophecy Summit this summer in Colorado Springs, CO with several Postmodern Prophecy Paradigm (PPP) adherents including: TOM HORN, CHUCK MISSLER, Cris Putnam, L.A. Marzulli, Gary Stearman, Jonathan Cahn, Joseph Farah, Douglas Woodward, Derek & Sharon Gilbert, Skiba, and others. McGuire is also a professor at Jack Hayford’s King’s College and Seminary.
Through the multi-faceted works of these notable leaders and much more, this PPP deception continues to grow exponentially. And with the emerging convergence with the NAR, there is evidence that this cosmic militant warfare rhetoric will increase.
GFM discernment ministry is showing a lack of discernment.
MIKE HOGGARD: PRIVATE INTERPRETATIONS, “When you become born again you have
no sin in you, you enter into a state of sinlessness.“
The following links do not imply endorsement, Mike Hoggard already have people asking the question is what he teaches agree with scripture?
MIKE HOGGARD: ANTI-APOSTASY TEACHER OR THE NEXT HAROLD CAMPING?He believes that only the KJV should be used to study the Bible. I agree that it is the only truly accurate word for word English version, but to dismiss the originals from which it is translated as being incapable of giving understanding seems simply ridiculous. He however does not endorse using them and in fact tells you to avoid anyone who does, as you can’t trust them. The same could be said of anyone using the KJV, if they use it inappropriately. People never seem to check on their preachers. As already stated, Hoggard says there is no revelation to be had from the originals. I don’t know if he was misspeaking at the time, but I heard him quote a verse, then point out the verb tense, then say that it was not in in the original manuscript. I don’t know if he meant something other than what actually came out of his mouth, but what came out of his mouth was completely erroneous. The translators of the KJV were very careful to translate it as accurately as possible.
Hoggard’s demoting the original manuscripts makes no sense. There is no KJV without them. The reason there is no revelation in them for him is that he 1) apparently doesn’t understand Hebrew or Greek, and 2) he can’t find all those lovely words and especially numbers that he loves so much to manipulate. You see, the original manuscripts do not have all the chapter and verse numbers that he finds so very important. For instance he says the number “22” stands for “revelation” because the book of Revelation has 22 chapters. Unfortunately for Hoggard, the original book of Revelation had no chapters. None of the books did. The epistles were merely letters just as we write emails. Chapters and verses were added by editors, not put in by God for some hidden meanings. Hoggard finds all this symbolism in the fact that some word or number falls in a verse of a particular number in one chapter or book, and the same word or number may occur in a chapter or verse of the same number in another book. This is not Bible study. This is playing games. We are supposed to be studying the Word and by that I mean the actual words. Not playing math games with verse and chapter numbers. Just as Camping assigned meanings to all sorts of numbers, Hoggard seems to have done the same thing. I do not deny that some numbers are obvious, such as the number “7” being God’s number, the number of perfection. But to spend all one’s time looking for numbers and multiples of numbers gets a little obsessive. When one spends so much time doing this, one starts seeing things that do not exist. Sometimes a two is just a two and an apple is just an apple.
While on occasion, God will show us something deeper in a passage than what is understood at the literal level, our first method of study should be to simply read and study and understand a passage at the literal level. What I have noticed is that Pastor Hoggard is prone to spiritualizing Scripture all the time. Whenever he goes to a passage (more often than not an Old Testament passage), he is using the passage to discuss the numerology of it, or make some comparison to another Scripture, often with no seeming point in sight other than to say something about how great God is to have a hidden connection between the two. In fact he seems obsessed with all these hidden connections between Scriptures, as though these connections are far more important than anything it says at the literal level. For all the hours I have listened to him, I rarely hear him preach any Scriptural passage at any literal level. Many times the passage he is supposed to be preaching on isn’t really even addressed, as he gets off onto all sorts of spiritual connections that are supposed to give us some sort of revelation, or off on another tangent entirely. At the end of his sermons I feel like I haven’t learned anything at all about the passage or topic on which he is supposed to be preaching. Apparently I am not the only one, as he said that one of his listeners complained that he does not stick to topic. Hoggard’s response was that he did not feel that the person had any understanding of how Scripture needed to be studied.
A further concern is that he seems to spend an inordinate amount of time preaching about the occult, the Masons, and all Satanic things about the end times. While a passing knowledge of these things is important for all Christians, it seems that everything he preaches comes back to this information. He seems as obsessed with this subject and everything related to Satan as he is about numbers. He takes occult legends and information and interprets the Bible from these sources rather than the other way around, even though he emphatically states that you should not bring anything to the Bible to interpret it other than the Bible itself.
Let me give an example or two. He stated in one sermon that the ten horns of Daniel chapter seven were the ten kings of Atlantis. Say what? Atlantis? Yes, he said they were the ten kings of Atlantis and that this is what the Scriptures teach. This could only have been a “revelation” that he received for two reasons. First, he has stated that the book of Daniel is still sealed. He has said that if you buy any books, tapes, etc. about the book of Daniel you have thrown away your money, as they are sealed until the end and have not been opened yet. In spite of that declaration, he says that the Scriptures (specifically in Daniel, which is supposedly still sealed) teach that the ten horns were ten kings of Atlantis. So this must have come by “special revelation” since he says the book is sealed. Second, the Scriptures never teach about Atlantis, they never mention Atlantis, so anything about that must have been learned by supernatural revelation (or occult sources). And what was Atlantis? I believe he says it was the antediluvian world. Now, I would have to say that I suspect that it most probably is true that the legend of Atlantis is a corrupted version of the story of the antediluvian world. It makes a lot of sense that it would be, given the description. I also know that occult history as related down through the ages in the Babylonian mysteries teaches that Atlantis had ten kings. I think this is the true source of his “revelation.” I, however, do not accept occult history as being on a par with Scripture. And I certainly do not think we are to interpret Scripture with the occult as our guide. All we know about the antediluvian world is found in the first six chapters of Genesis, and nothing is mentioned of ten kings there.
Product Description: Science is catching up with the Bible! In this video, Pastor Michael Hoggard shows the amazing correlations between the Holy Bible and DNA“, and how the Gospel message is encoded in our genetic structure. This presentation is not only full of scientific fact but also contains a clear and simple salvation message. God’s Signature is visible throughout His entire creation, revealed in a numeric sequence called Fibonacci. Truly, Scripture is true, when the Apostle Paul exclaims, “For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse” (Romans 1:20)
This teaching is never taught anywhere in the Bible as nothing about DNA is mentioned in the Bible.
In 1997, Mike Hoggard was at the Prophecy Club presenting a series of numbers and the Bible with the use of the tarot cards to explain what the Bible teaches concerning the book of revelations and satans grand master plan this can be seen at 5:24 secs.
Question: why do we need to use the tarot cards? If we go by Mike Hoggard’s logic we should only use the KJV, after all, we are told that GFM is a discernment ministry and that Mike Hoggard is an excellent Bible teacher that was very much promoted by the Prophecy Club.
Besides there are major problems with the prophecy club, Stan Johnson: Head of The Prophecy Club, one of the most error-prone prophetic ministries today, complete with a mix charismania, sensationalism, and speculation replacing Biblical truth. He calls himself an apostle, and his wife, Leslie, is a prophetess. He is also a self-proclaimed prophet and has produced an anti-rapture book. Not surprising, these include Featured speakers make bizarre claims and predictions, and some have falsely predicted the start of the tribulation, Typical for these types of ministries, the basis is fear-mongering and manipulation, similar to cults.
Some of the speakers include Michael Rood:
to quote, Rood’s speculation about end time political events has made him a darling of the Prophecy Club and Christians who accept conspiracy theories and paranoia. The Prophecy Club promotes tapes by people who assert US government conspiracy (including complicity in 9/11 terrorism), Bible codes,”idolatry” pervading the Christian Church at large, war on Israel, America as “Mystery Babylon,” collapse of world economy, One World Government, a political Antichrist, King James version of the Bible only, God speaking audibly to them, and UFOs’ part in coming world events. In this milieu, speculation without evidence is rewarded (and even encouraged, since Prophecy Club fans view evidence against their speculation as extra reason to assume conspiracy). Rood has an ongoing relationship with Prophecy Club, having served as one of its speakers and appeared on panels ironically called “intelligence briefings.” The Club sells some of Roods tapes including “How Hanukkah Portrays the Rise and Fall of the Antichrist.”
It is also reported that:
Teachings out of the Prophecy Club exude British-Israelism, anti-government fear mongering and revolution to further an anti-Christian agenda. They promote militias, patriot groups, guns, Gematria, near death/out of body experiences for obtaining new revelation and interpretation of prophecy. Jews are told to flee America’s “coming destruction” and Prophecy Club adherents are urged to move to Belize, Brazil and elsewhere. Many prophecy teachers believe that America is Israel and that American Christians are God’s chosen people rather than the Jews. They believe that the impending destruction will be God’s wrath and judgment on the true “Israel” for permitting corruption, immorality, greed and materialism to become a way of life.
To incite rebellion against the American government, these prophecy teachers preach that the anti-Christian Illuminati/Council on Foreign Relations, which controls the U.S., must be eliminated and the nation brought under the control of Christians. Hence, the need for a Christian revolution. Young people are especially being conditioned for acceptance of this false teaching through exploitation of the Columbine massacre and other school shootings. Targeted by the ubiquitous agitation propaganda of intelligence agents posing as Christian leaders, Christians and their children are being used to advance the same New World Order they think they are defeating.
Other names include:
||Dr. Bill Deagle
|Dr. Mark Andrews
|Jeffrey A. Baker
|| Don McAlvany (CNP)
||Tom Van Asperen
||Kevin Van Der Westhuizen
|Dr. Nick Begich
|| Stan Monteith (CNP)
||Dr. James W. Wardner
|Pastor Dan Bohler
||Gen. Ben Partin
||Gen. Ed Wheeler
||Quenton Jessop III
||Col. Speed Wilson
|| Craig Roberts (CNP)
||Gary H. Kah
||Steven C. Wright
|Terry L. Cook
|| Cliff Kincaid (CNP)
||David J. Smith
|These names were or are also listed in the Prophecy Club store 17
|Dr. Cathy Burns
||Dr. Renny McLean
||Rex Russell, MD
||Dr. Brey Keyton
||John Mark Pool
||Col Moshe Leshem
||Pastor Mary Jean Stephens
||Dr. Winston Mazakis
I would strongly advise people to give those who have been in the prophecy club a wide birth.
Other topics Mike Hoggard teaches in his broadcasts are avaliable on Youtube this includes Nephilim and Space Alien DNA, Transhumanist “Alien Super Soldiers as in the days of Noah” and Bible Codes ect, this does leave Mike Hoggard open to much exmination and criticism by other people.
End Times Study – Mike Hoggard are his teachings Scriptural?
If you have not done the research yourself on the views you hold (instead of just trusting you were taught the truth or accepting that the scriptures they use are all that the Bible has to say on the subject), you should really take the time to do so. You may be forced to change your views, if you want truth rather than clinging to the theology with which you were raised. Satan has gone to great lengths to make sure that every theology has some truth and some lies, so that we would never have all the truth. It is our job to ferret out the lies and abandon them, even when it is difficult and painful. It is also our job to take everything that someone says and be a Berean, going to the Scriptures and checking everything they say to make sure they aren’t just picking and choosing the verses they like and ignoring the rest. So, for your consideration, I give you my research on Mike Hoggard. It is not exhaustive, as I can’t listen to everything he has ever preached, so there may be much more than I have there, but it should be enough to give you an idea of whether you want to listen to everything he says without question. Oh, and just for the record, yes, I do want you to check everything I write against the Scriptures too. I am not afraid of the examination.
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Mike Hoggard has received other concerns one is entitled “MIKE HOGGARD KING JAMES BIBLE CODE,” this says:
I first wrote about Mike Hoggard and various problems that I saw with his teachings back in March, (and I have continued to update it as I heard more things) and that article can be found at http://bibleconundrumsandcontroversy.blogspot.com/2012/03/mike-hoggard-anti-apostasy-teacher-or.html
, but I decided that if I were going to be somewhat thorough, I had to take a closer look at Mike Hoggard’s King James Bible Code that he has created. Below I am going to put some of his quotes from his book, as well as some of his examples and show some of the problems. I will start by letting Hoggard tell you himself what this Bible Code is all about.
“If I had to describe the King James Code in a nutshell, I would do it this way. The King James Bible contains a system of numbers that are consistently linked with words or phrases in the scriptures. It is understood that the Bible can be comprehended on many levels. The more you study the Scriptures and become accustomed to them, the more you understand the Divine symbols of certain passages that you never saw before. These must always come as a product of Divine Revelation.”
So the first thing you can see is that this comes not from a careful exegesis of the Word by laying precept upon precept, but is a product of Divine Revelation that cannot be had unless God grants you a special dispensation. Now while I agree that the Scriptures say that the Word is only spiritually discerned (this means that those who do not know the Lord as their personal Savior and have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit will not understand the spiritual applications of what they read), I do not agree that only some Christians will be granted this special privilege of understanding hidden things in the Bible that nobody else can ever know. I don’t believe God hides things from us, if we study. Any Christian should be able to read and understand the Bible, just as they read and understand any instructional book, for that is what it basically is, if they diligently study it.
GFM and Joe Schimmel’s staff member would lead you astray into listening to a teacher who uses tarot cards, teaches Bible codes, etc and refused to be corrected when they are called out about these obvious errors and would simply ignore them and brush it off as being untruthful and unjustified, would say one thing about GFM, Good Fight Ministries are bringing Good Fight Ministries into disrepute and this would include any ministry that would run to GFM defense, the more they advertise, endorse or who they promote the more information you have to show how all this deception comes together.
(please click on the blue links for source reference) Joe Schimmel in the past shared platforms
with Kirk Cameron and Neo-Calvinist Francis Chan on May 6th 2006, Schimmel has featured Kirk Cameron on his website, who is an ecumenist Lordship Salvation promoter and supporters of the liberal and pro-abortionist organisation
such as the Salvation Army
along with an Ecumenist and compromise TBN host Kirk Cameron,
who had involvement with Glenn Beck who is a Mormon, Kirk has not even spoken against Glenn’s Mormon Beliefs but received Glenn Becks seal of approval as well as inviting a former evangelical pastor who converted to Roman Catholicism to TBN to make the case for Santa Claus as Cameron promotes his new film “Saving Christmas
,” which seeks to convince Christians who choose not to celebrate the holiday, he has even urged Christians to celebrate Halloween
Ray Comfort: Joel Schimmel is a long-standing supporter of Ray Comfort has he has been featured on Good Fight Ministries YouTube Channel video trailer Left behind or led astray as well as Good Fight Ministries links page. Ray Comfort gives his endorsement to Joe Schimmel and count’s Joe Schimmel as a friend, Ray Comfort is known for teaching the Lordship Salvation heresy, Ray Comfort teaches “Merely being sorry for your sins, or confessing them to God won’t help you. You must turn from sin (repent).”
Ray Comfort even attempts to use Matthew 7:21-23 to prove his Lordship Salvation heresy; thus corrupting the Scriptures…
On page 1197 of THE EVIDENCE BIBLE, Ray Comfort comments on Matthew 7:22,23…
“These are perhaps the most frightening verses in the Bible. Vast multitudes of professing Christians fit into the category spoken of here. They call Jesus ‘Lord,’ but they practice lawlessness. They profess faith in Jesus, but have no regard for the divine law. hey tell ‘fibs’ or ‘white’ lies, take things that belong to others, have a roaming eye for the opposite sex, etc. They are liars, thieves, and adulterers at heart, who will be cast from the gates of heaven into the jaws of hell.”SOURCE: THE EVIDENCE BIBLE, by Ray Comfort, pg. 1197; 2003, Bridge-Logos Publishers, Orlando, Florida
Ray Comfort is teaching works salvation! According to what we just read by Ray Comfort, every believer who is still living in deliberate sin won’t be allowed into Heaven.
The correct interpretation of Matthew 7:22,23 must include verse 21…
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.”
What is “the will of the Father”? The answer is found in John 6:40…
“And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.”
The group in Matthew 7:21-23 were unsaved because they refused to do God’s will concerning salvation. It wasn’t because they still had personal sins in their life. Every believer still has sin in their life! We all sin every day. That’s not to say that we have God’s approval to sin, God forbid (Romans 3:31). It just means that even the best of Christians are still sinners. Ray Comfort wrestles the Scriptures to his destruction, and sadly for those who follow his false teachings.
It was Billy Graham that made the doctrine popular. Billy will usually tell his audience that salvation is, again, a free gift that cannot be earned no matter what we do. It is, by far, Graham’s terse persona that captivates and influences an audience rather than the Holy Spirit of God. Hypothetically speaking, how would you feel if you were in a car with someone the likes of whom I am about to describe? Imagine you are trying to get somewhere that you’ve never been before, and the person next to you says this:
“Okay, take a left, and then take a right, and then stop, back up, take another right. Wait. Take another left. My map is correct! Trust me! Stop. Go right again, then turn left. Can’t you go any faster? Okay, turn right here. Stop. Take a left, then take another left. Wait. Go back. Can’t you do anything right? Start over. Go right, then left, go sharply right now. Stop! Can’t you follow my directions? Back up and take another right. Wait, go left. Trust me, I know where I’m taking you!” That, reader, is the sad yet accurate equivalent of the plan of salvation according to Billy Graham. It will get you nowhere. “There is an increasing number of ‘evangelicals’ today who are preaching that in order for a man to be saved he must not only receive Christ as his Savior, but also must make Him absolute Lord and Master of his life. This doctrine has been termed “Lordship salvation” and has absolutely no support from the Word of God. It is, in fact, another subtle way Satan has invented to get Bible-believing men to add works to salvation without, perhaps, their realizing it, and to do it in such a way that it sounds spiritual and good” (Stanford, 87-88).
What is Lordship Salvation?
The following short explanation is on the Distinctives of Lordship Salvation (taken from Grace Community Church’s website) With comments (in Bold) by John Hayworth.
There are many articles of faith that are fundamental to all evangelical teaching. For example, there is agreement among all believers on the following truths: (1) Christ’s death purchased eternal salvation; (2) the saved are justified by grace through faith in Christ alone; (3) sinners cannot earn divine favor; (4) God requires no preparatory works or pre-salvation reformation; (5) eternal life is a gift of God; (6) believers are saved before their faith ever produces any righteous works; and (7) Christians can and do sin, sometimes horribly.
What, then, are the distinctions of lordship salvation? What does Scripture teach that is embraced by those who affirm lordship salvation but rejected by proponents of “easy-believism”? The following are nine distinctive of a biblical understanding of salvation and the gospel.
First, Scripture teaches that the gospel calls sinners to faith joined in oneness with repentance (Acts 2:38; 17:30;20:21; 2 Pet. 3:9). Repentance is a turning from sin (Acts 3:19; Luke 24:47) that consists not of a human work but a divinely bestowed grace (Acts 11:18; 2 Tim. 2:25). It is a change of heart, but genuine repentance will effect a change of behavior as well (Luke 3:8; Acts 26:18-20). In contrast, easy-believism teaches that repentance is simply a synonym for faith and that no turning from sin is required for salvation.
(Comment) Repentance Greek Metanoia means a change of mind, as it appears to one who repents, of a purpose he has formed or of something he has done. Biblical repentance involves a change of one’s thinking, a change of mind, as the scripture states:
In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; (2 Timothy 2:25)
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, (Hebrews 6:1).
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
According to Grace Fellowship, Paul and Silas would be teaching “easy-Believe” by telling this man that to be saved all that was necessary was for him to believe! Paul declared:
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (Romans 10:9)
Biblical Repentance is about changing one’s attitude towards the Lord Jesus:
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. (John 20:31)
Second, Scripture teaches that salvation is all God’s work. Those who believe are saved utterly apart from any effort on their own (Titus 3:5). Even faith is a gift of God, not a work of man (Eph. 2:1-5,8). Real faith, therefore, cannot be defective or short-lived but endures forever (Phil. 1:6; cf. Heb. 11). In contrast, easy-believism teaches that faith might not last and that a true Christian can completely cease believing.
(Comment) Paul, in writing to the Gentiles believers in Rome, warned them about the possibility of them being “cut off”:
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. (Romans 11:21-22)
The writer to the Hebrews also speaks thus:
But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; (Hebrews 3:14-15).
These scriptures are written to believers, to people who profess Christ and have faith. The Holy Spirit speaks of God dealing out to people the “measure of faith.” (Romans 12:3)
Third, Scripture teaches that the object of faith is Christ Himself, not a creed or a promise (John 3:16). Faith therefore involves personal commitment to Christ (2 Cor. 5:15). In other words, all true believers follow Jesus (John 10:27-28). In contrast, easy-believism teaches that saving faith is simply being convinced or giving credence to the truth of the gospel and does not include a personal commitment to the person of Christ.
(Comment) The scriptures point out that there will be those that are weak and who struggle. The message is clear:
We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves. (Romans 15:1)
…comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men. (1 Thessalonians 5:14)
And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way, but let it rather be healed. (Hebrews 12:13)
Fourth, Scripture teaches that real faith inevitably produces a changed life (2 Cor. 5:17). Salvation includes a transformation of the inner person (Gal. 2:20). The nature of the Christian is new and different (Rom. 6:6). The unbroken pattern of sin and enmity with God will not continue when a person is born again (1 John 3:9-10). Those with genuine faith follow Christ (John 10:27), love their brothers (1 John 3:14), obey God’s commandments (1 John 2:3; John 15:14), do the will of God (Matt. 12:50), abide in God’s Word (John 8:31), keep God’s Word (John 17:6), do good works (Eph. 2:10), and continue in the faith (Col. 1:21-23; Heb. 3:14). In contrast, easy-believism teaches that although some spiritual fruit is inevitable, that fruit might not be visible to others and Christians can even lapse into a state of permanent spiritual barrenness.
(Comment) A person who is born of God will have a changed life. They will no longer be unbelievers, and their life will begin to show evidence of this. Whereas before they did not desire Christ, now they do desire Him. The problem here is that people are not being encouraged to continue in Grace, a whole heap of other things is being piled on their shoulders. Rather than encourage believers to grow and trust Christ this encourages people to doubt whether they are really saved! It gives people the idea that unless they are sinlessly perfect they are not really saved!
I have met some dear people who came away from meetings led by proponents of Lordship Salvation doubting whether or not they were truly saved!
If fruit is present in their lives, this means that they are saved. The parable of the sower shows us that the seed that fell on good soil bears fruit but that no two plants will bear the same amount of fruit:
But other fell into good ground and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold. (Matthew 13:8 & Mark 4:20)
Some people’s lives will be more fruitful than others! Being less fruitful is no indication of lacking salvation.
Fifth, Scripture teaches that God’s gift of eternal life includes all that pertains to life and godliness (2 Pet. 1:3;Rom. 8:32), not just a ticket to heaven. In contrast, according to easy-believism, only the judicial aspects of salvation (e.g., justification, adoption, and positional sanctification) are guaranteed for believers in this life; practical sanctification and growth in grace require a post-conversion act of dedication.
(Comment) When a person first becomes a believer, born again by faith in Jesus Christ, they are NOT fully mature in the faith. Personal Sanctification and growth in Grace can only come “post-conversion”! When a person is born again of the Spirit of God they have been perfected but sanctification (or Holiness as it is also called) is a continual process:
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. (Hebrews 10:14)
In other translations we are given to understand that being sanctified is a continual process:
those who are being sanctified. (NKJV), those who are being made holy. (NIV), those who are being sanctified. (HNV).
The Greek text uses the term ἁγιαζομένους (hagiazoumenous) which gives the sense of the sanctification being pronounce upon people. Just as the Christ’s righteousness is imputed to us, so the sanctification is a work of God.
Sixth, Scripture teaches that Jesus is Lord of all, and the faith He demands involves unconditional surrender (Rom. 6:17-18; 10:9-10). In other words, Christ does not bestow eternal life on those whose hearts remain set against Him (James 4:6). Surrender to Jesus’ lordship is not an addendum to the biblical terms of salvation; the summons to submission is at the heart of the gospel invitation throughout Scripture. In contrast, easy-believism teaches that submission to Christ’s supreme authority is not germane to the saving transaction.
(Comment) Whenever the Gospel was preached in the scriptures we do not read anywhere where people were exhorted to submit to the Lordship of Christ. They were exhorted to believe in the Son of God. (John 3:16; Romans 10:9-10; 1John 5:13; John 1:12-13; Romans 4:13-25; Romans 5:1-2;
Seventh, Scripture teaches that those who truly believe will love Christ (1 Pet. 1:8-9; Rom. 8:28-30; 1 Cor. 16:22). They will therefore long to obey Him (John 14:15, 23). In contrast, easy-believism teaches that Christians may fall into a state of lifelong carnality.
(Comment) We cannot fault the scriptures! When reading this seventh distinctive do we not automatically begin to question, “Do I love Jesus?” Will we ever love Him enough?
Eighth, Scripture teaches that behavior is an important test of faith. Obedience is evidence that one’s faith is real (1 John 2:3). On the other hand, the person who remains utterly unwilling to obey Christ does not evidence true faith (1 John 2:4). In contrast, easy-believism teaches that disobedience and prolonged sin are no reason to doubt the reality of one’s faith.
(Comment) The commandments we have been given to follow are to Love God above all else and love everyone else as ourselves.
Ninth, Scripture teaches that genuine believers may stumble and fall, but they will persevere in the faith (1 Cor. 1:8). Those who later turn completely away from the Lord show that they were never truly born again (1 John 2:19). In contrast, easy-believism teaches that a true believer may utterly forsake Christ and come to the point of not believing.
(Comment) When Paul was writing to the believers in Galatia, it was obvious from his letter that he considered them to have been believers because he addresses them as “brethren.” (Galatians 6:1) He speaks of them as being “known of God”. (Galatians 4:9) Paul writes to them to warn them of false teachers that had come amongst them. Judas Iscariot was an Apostle of Christ when he was sent out he had the power of God to heal the sick just as the other 11 Apostles could!
Most Christians recognize that these nine distinctions are not new or radical ideas. The preponderance of Bible-believing Christians over the centuries have held these to be basic tenets of orthodoxy. In fact, no major orthodox movement in the history of Christianity has ever taught that sinners can spurn the lordship of Christ yet lay claim to Him as Savior.
This issue is not a trivial one. In fact, how could any issue be more important? The gospel that is presented to unbelievers has eternal ramifications. If it is the true gospel, it can direct men and women into the everlasting kingdom. If it is a corrupted message, it can give unsaved people false hope while consigning them to eternal damnation. This is not merely a matter for theologians to discuss and debate and speculate about. This is an issue that every single pastor and layperson must understand so that the gospel may be rightly proclaimed to all the nations.
(Comment) On the surface LS may seem Biblical however it lends itself to the self-righteous judging of weak believers. Many believers struggle with the flesh, as Paul wrote:
…we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that, I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! Who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. (Romans 7:14-25)
LS leaves so many under condemnation as they judge themselves as not living up to the measure of sinless perfection that this doctrine implies!
LS is a divisive doctrine. Church leaders will tell their charges to have nothing to do with other believers who do not hold to the Lordship position.
Teachers of LS deny that they teach a works-based Salvation. However, the very nature of LS proves otherwise. We are not saved by anything other than faith. It is our faith that justifies us, the fact that we believe in Christ, and nothing more:
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. This is a faithful saying and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men. (Titus 3:5-8)
LS implies that anyone who does not agree with this doctrine is teaching Antinomianism or “easy-believism” as they call it! This accusation was also leveled against Paul:
(as we are slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil; that good may come? Whose damnation is just? (Romans 3:8)
For some good questions that every adherent of LS needs to answer:
I Have for some time covered on Ray Comfort and his compromise and teaching the false gospel of Lordship Salvation makes Ray Comfort questionable, Ray Comfort been received, support, endorsements and acknowledgements from ecumenism, compromises and false teachers, as well as being in partnership with ecumenical and liberals organisations again would make you ask the question why should anyone accept who Moriel and Good Fight Ministries is asking you to listen to when it would be apparent that they are overlooking finer details of who it is they are in working partnership with.
Ravi Zacharias: Is known catholic and ecumenical ties and he is known for women being ordained as elders such as Margaret Manning and Jill Carattini which is a violation of scripture.
Manning has a B.A. in psychology and has performed “in pastoral roles” teaching Contemplative Spirituality/Mysticism (CSM); now we understand why she was quick to share these myths in her defense of CSM:
With regards to Henri Nouwen, as an apologetics ministry, we would urge you to read Nouwen for yourself and then make up your mind as to Christian commitment. I would recommend you begin with his excellent book, The Return of the Prodigal Son.
With regard to Ravi quoting Nouwen or anyone else, you should know that it does not mean that we agree with every statement the author has ever written or spoken; rather, we believe that the book will, on the whole, be helpful to readers…
Henri Nouwen is often associated with contemplative prayer or spirituality. Contemplation, or contemplative prayer has been practiced throughout the church for millenia [sic] beginning in the early monastic movements of both the Western (Catholic) and Eastern (Byzantine) Church.
To “contemplate” is simply another term for the Hebrew understanding of “meditating” on God’s word, and simply another way to pray. Contemplative prayer and spirituality as it is being recovered in Christian worship and devotional life, is simply that—a recovery of ancient practices and teachings from church history.
These fables could have come from Living Spiritual Teacher and Quaker mystic Richard Foster himself. Nouwen was more than just “often associated with” Contemplative/Centering Prayer; he was a superstar teacher of it.
Carattini is “ordained as a special minister in the Reformed Church of America.” The RCA itself has been in rebellion against God’s Word and ordaining women as elders for decades now:
In 1972 the denomination opened the offices of deacon and elder to women, and by 1979 women were accepted for ordination as ministers of Word and sacrament.
Today, women in the RCA serve as pastors, elders, and deacons. (source, bold theirs)
We’re told that “Rev.” Carattini has an apparent affinity for Frederick Buechner who:
found himself profoundly led by the words of George Buttrick, pastor of Madison Avenue Presbyterian Church. Under Buttrick’s encouragement, Buechner enrolled at Union Theological Seminary and studied under such theologians as James Muilenburg, Reinhold Neibuhr, and Paul Tillich. (source)
Neither Neibuhr or Tillich even believed the historic doctrines of the Christian faith. It’s also interesting to note that one of “Rev.” Carattini’s favorite writers is Roman Catholic and mystic Flannery O’Connor:
Flannery O’Connor wrote out of a deep, thoroughly [Roman] Catholic vision of life,…and [was] educated in [Roman] Catholic schools…
O’Connor was deeply conversant in [Roman] Catholic theology — a glance at her library, on display in the Flannery O’Connor Room at Georgia State College, reveals works by Thomas Aquinas, St. Augustine, Jacque Maritain, Leon Bloy, Ronald Knox, St. John of the Cross,… (source)
The immediate content of that piece was Manning defending Ravi Zacharias when he emphatically proclaimed as “one of the greatest Christian saints” apostate Roman Catholic mystic Henri Nouwen (1932-1996):
Leaving aside Nouwen being professor of secular psychology at godless Harvard University, he was also a universalist. Here’s what Nouwen himself wrote not long before he died:
Today I personally believe that while Jesus came to open the door to God’s house, all human beings can walk through that door, whether they know about Jesus or not. Today I see it as my call to help every person claim his or her own way to God.
Zacharias did offer a flimsy excuse in Ravi Zacharias Clarifies Calling Henri Nouwen Great Saint; Apprising Ministries.
Ravi Zacharias “Calls Word Faith Preacher Joyce Meyer “Such A Great Bible Teacher” God Is Using.”
Joyce Meyer a proven heretic and false teacher got Ravi Zacharias Seal of Approval that even Ray Comfort joins on her show.
Gumbel: Ravi, you’re known all over the world as someone who proclaims the truth of the Christian faith…
Zacharias: And, by the way, what you all have done in this church through Alpha; God bless you for it. Absolutely bless you for it. I don’t know if there is a place in the world I go to, but that somebody comes up and says, “it was through the Alpha Course.”
Nicky, the Lord inspired you, brought a support team around you; and may its—may it just continue to grow—because it’s brought about in a way that takes people gently step by step. We like to think of three minute conversion stories; they really very seldom happen under a tree.
One link is put into another link in place, and then, you have the Holy Spirit of God having free reign. So thanks for what you’re all doing. It’s wonderful to see the impact you have globally, too.
Gumbel: Thank you so much Ravi.
http://apprising.org As a bit of background on Vicar Gumbel’s HTB, whom you’ll hear Zacharias praise below, I point you to Alpha Male: Can Nicky Gumbel and Holy Trinity Brompton save the Church of England? By Damian Thompson.
Thompson tells us:
A simple introduction to Christianity known as the Alpha Course, devised by the parish in the 1970s and still very much the intellectual property of HTB, has now been done by 20 million people across the world…
Nicky Gumbel,…has been vicar of Holy Trinity since 2005. He didn’t invent the Alpha Course — designed as an introduction to Jesus for non-believers or lukewarm churchgoers — but it’s thanks to his nervous energy that it has spread to 169 countries.
In 1996, [Roman Catholic] Cardinal Hume invited a team from HTB to Westminster Cathedral so he could discover whether it was compatible with Catholicism. ‘That really took us by surprise,’ Gumbel told me over tea in his vicarage last week. ‘It wasn’t just that they were so enthusiastic — it was that we hardly had to change anything when we developed Alpha for Catholics.’
Actually, the bigger surprise is that HTB — which at one point in its history would have regarded Catholics as barely Christian at all — is so Rome-friendly: literally so, in that Gumbel has friends and supporters in the upper reaches of the Vatican.
‘I love Catholics,’ he says with great emphasis, and it’s interesting that he doesn’t use the term ‘Roman Catholics’, which always sounds slightly sniffy to Catholic ears… But doesn’t Holy Trinity sometimes use the Alpha Course to poach Catholics?
‘No! When they do Alpha I say to them: do not come to HTB but go back to your Catholic parish. It’s part of the Church and I love the whole Church.’ (source)
I would also like to Point out as Ray Comfort and Ravi Zacharias at on live Television with Joice Meyer, Joyce Meyer is very much involved with Nicky Gumbel.
Ray Comfort also has John MacArthur on his website as mentioned above Ray Comfort teaches the false gospel of Lordship salvation, but looking at John MacArthur he teaches that the fluid blood of Jesus does not atone for your sins instead the blood is a metaphor, here John MacArthur is totally rejecting the scriptures.
And so there is no efficacy in the fluid of Jesus, John MacArthur is not making a distinction between the Eucharist and the sacrificial offering of the literal blood for the law to be satisfied, this is to become a representation only of the event of our lord’s death, it is clear that what this is presenting is a false gospel.
And so there is no efficacy in the fluid of Jesus, John MacArthur is not making a distinction between the Eucharist and the sacrificial offering of the literal blood for the law to be satisfied, this is to become a representation only of the event of our lord’s death, it is clear that what this is presenting is a false gospel.
In 2008 at an Inspiring Excellence Conference, [Backup image, 14] Ray Comfort again shared the platform with John Avanzini, Jesse Duplantis, Mike Murdock and Rod Parsley.
In August 2009 Ray Comfort has associated himself with false prophets and ecumenist false teacher Pat Robertson.
On the 27th May 2014 it was brought to my attention this startling quote from Ray Comfort
Quoting Charles Spurgeon on discernment below on the right this is hypocritical of Ray Comfort as he has no discernment with regards to ecumenism but is compromised.
Ray Comfort Quoted “Discernment is not knowing the difference between right and wrong. It is knowing the difference between right and almost right.” Charles Spurgeon
Why does Ray Comfort not apply this to himself??????
Ray Comfort is confounding the situation here is a history of where Ray is compromising.
Ray Comfort Says “For our partnership with the Salvation Army.”
Papal Visit UK 2010
A British Christian, Ecumenical and known for supporting roles and advocates in the pro-homosexual community [see info…] reports “Commissioner Betty Matear of the Salvation Army and the Presidents of the ecumenical grouping Churches Together in England, have welcomed Pope Benedict XVI’s visit“Commissioner John Matear, the Territorial Commander of the Salvation Army, hoped that the Papal visit would help the churches to “…together proclaim the good news of the Kingdom in word and deed”.
Action of Churches Together Scotland reports: Lieut – Colonel Alan Burns, Scotland Secretary for the Salvation Army says, ‘On behalf of Salvationists in Scotland I’m pleased to welcome Pope Benedict XV1. His visit, coinciding with the feast of St Ninian, will give Christians throughout the nation opportunity to collectively celebrate the life and work of the Churches throughout the ages.Statement from Scottish Christian: Salvation Army Commissioner Betty Matear, said they hoped Pope Benedict XVI’s visit would be a source of encouragement to all of England’s churches.
Commissioner Betty Matear of the Salvation Army: After the visit of the Pope to Westminster Abbey for the celebration of evening prayer, I was privileged to be invited to participate in a dinner and discussion hosted by our Government, involving Roman Catholic cardinals and bishops.
The Salvation Army has a long history of their involvement inside Freemasonry, (please not this information will be on the website soon, please click on the Freemasonry link above for our archive page)
Buckinghamshire Provincial Grand Lodge
David Malcolm Sawyer
Provincial Grand Chaplain
This ‘work’ has been so very compatible with my religious duties, and the great joy for me has been that I have always been able to carry out those Masonic duties as if I was wearing the Salvation Army uniform ‘S’ insignia on my collar.
There will inevitably be those who will say “Ah! But what about the Gospel of Christ – where does that fit into your belief as a Salvationist and your Masonic teaching!
Ray Comfort and Franklin Graham on TBN’S Praise The Lord Tonight.
A couple of weeks ago here at Apprising Ministries, I showed that Franklin Graham was hosting TBN’S Praise the Lord program. At the time, it was part of a series of three such Praise the Lord (PtL) programs.
Also, you may also recall that I reminded you PtL is the main vehicle for fleecing the Christian flock used by Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN), which some call Trinity Blasphemy Network.
With this in mind then, I point out to you tonight’s PtL schedule:
Speaking at the Roman Catholic Belmont Abbey College, Noth Carolina, Dr. Graham said: “The gospel that built this school and the gospel that brings me here tonight is still the way to salvation” (Gastonia Gazette, November 22, 1967). That is plain enough. The then executive vice-president of Belmont Abbey College, Rev. Cuthbert E. Allen, agreed. He wrote, “I have followed Billy Graham’s career, and I must emphasize that he has been more Catholic than otherwise... Billy Graham is preaching a moral and evangelical theology most acceptable to Catholics.” (Personal letter, reproduced in Billy Graham and the Church of Rome, by I.R.K. Paisley, Appendix. Document No.3).
The question then has to be asked why is Ray Comfort compromising with the Graham’s ???
It also asks the question is Comforts Ministry simply a Business?
Considering he charges extortionate amounts of money for gospel materials, you can get them cheaper else where or for no cost at all.
A friend told me “THERE COMES A TIME… WHEN ABSCISSION IS THE ONLY OPTION…
[TBN is, in reality, The Trinity Blasphemy Network, and Christians need to avoid it, not lend credibility to it, as Ray Comfort, etc. does here…]
I do not trust Franklin Graham and the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association.
He, as does his dad Billy Graham, believe Mormons are Christians.
Billy Graham believes people can be saved outside of Christ Jesus: This lie is clear here: 1:32 min:
That means to me that they are pure unadulterated heretics –and false prophets by biblical definition.
They are not true Christians as according to Scripture.
They will not enter heaven unless they repent of their aberrant ways.
They do not know nor preach the Jesus of the Bible.
End of story.
Many are those that will leave the way of the true God and Christ of the Cross and Resurrection eventually, in spite of being seemingly true in the beginning.
But as Scripture says, ‘they never were with us,’ they have deceived many into believing hey were leaders in the flock, but then they became leaders in leading others astray.
We must read their stuff with discernment and earnestly pray that God will keep us from straying after false leaders.”
Franklin Graham has supported ecumenical gatherings around the world such as the interfaith ecumenical “hope together.”
We also know that other liberal and ecumenists have supported Ray Comforts ministry.Such as the AFA, Franklin Graham, Ravi Zacharias, John MacArthur, David Jeremiah, Dr. Norman Geisler, Bill Gothard, David Wilkerson, Joni Eareckson Tada, and many other Christian leaders. He has written for Billy Graham’s Decision magazine and Bill Bright’s Worldwide Challenge.
For More information on Ray Comfort, please go to http://ukapologeticslibrary.net/ray-comfort-way-of-the-master-is-not-wotm/
Having written this it would appear that eschatology is a much more essential matter than looking at the false teachings of the people who are being promoted by Moriel and Good Fight Ministries article I can only pray that the Lord will open the eyes of Moriel and Good Fight Ministries as stated at the beginning of the article the deception that is present in this day and age is not that clear and obvious that we need to be so careful that we too are not doing the same.
As time moves on we will be watching Joe Schimmel very closely.
God Bless you
Director/UK Apologetics Library 2015
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